964 Celebration - what price?
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Dave Wilkinson
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Ian,
It's the classic "how long is a piece of string" question. You will be doing well to FIND one first of all!! Depending on it's condition and mileage I would guess that you would be looking at anything from £18,000 for a pretty ratty one up to, maybe, £26,000 for a really, really good one. Very much a seller's market I'm afraid as there just aren't that many around.
Regards
Dave
It's the classic "how long is a piece of string" question. You will be doing well to FIND one first of all!! Depending on it's condition and mileage I would guess that you would be looking at anything from £18,000 for a pretty ratty one up to, maybe, £26,000 for a really, really good one. Very much a seller's market I'm afraid as there just aren't that many around.
Regards
Dave
38F3E1
PCGB Member
OK that's interesting. Is there anyway to tell if a car is a genuine Celebration (e.g. chassis number) or is it just the fact that it is C4, wide body etc. The one he has seen is not the standard dark metallic colour but one of the rarer colours so wants to make sure it's genuine.
Ian.
Ian.
Dave Wilkinson
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Ian,
A genuine Celebration will have a numbered plaque on the rear parcel shelf (facing outwards) with the "xx of 911" inscription. This is the main guarantee of it's Celebration status. There are a number (in fact, 174 it's been reported) of cars around which are the correct Celebration spec but deviated from the standard 3 colours which were not given the "xx of 911" plaque or the "30 jahre" badging on the engine cover. To my knowledge I have only come across 2 of these cars - one in Oak Green and one in Guards Red (currently for sale at Finlay Gorham for £18.995). Neither of these cars are accepted as official "Celebrations". There were a number of wide bodied C4s produced for the US market in 1993/4 and these are not Celebrations either.
The 3 standard colours for the Celebration cars were Viola, Polar Silver and, quite rarely, Amethyst. Thomas Englert runs the Jubilee/Celebration Register in Germany - web site at www.jubi.pocg.de - where you can check on which models are which colour and where they are in the World.
Regards
Dave
A genuine Celebration will have a numbered plaque on the rear parcel shelf (facing outwards) with the "xx of 911" inscription. This is the main guarantee of it's Celebration status. There are a number (in fact, 174 it's been reported) of cars around which are the correct Celebration spec but deviated from the standard 3 colours which were not given the "xx of 911" plaque or the "30 jahre" badging on the engine cover. To my knowledge I have only come across 2 of these cars - one in Oak Green and one in Guards Red (currently for sale at Finlay Gorham for £18.995). Neither of these cars are accepted as official "Celebrations". There were a number of wide bodied C4s produced for the US market in 1993/4 and these are not Celebrations either.
The 3 standard colours for the Celebration cars were Viola, Polar Silver and, quite rarely, Amethyst. Thomas Englert runs the Jubilee/Celebration Register in Germany - web site at www.jubi.pocg.de - where you can check on which models are which colour and where they are in the World.
Regards
Dave
38F3E1
PCGB Member
That's very useful. I asked him where the car was for sale and he' just come back to me and told me it's the Finlay Gorham one. Apparently has an official letter from Porsche saying it's a Celebration car.
Sounds like you might know the story of this car and why it's not officially a Celebration. Any knowledge you have would be useful. Also do you know any more about the car?
Ian.
Sounds like you might know the story of this car and why it's not officially a Celebration. Any knowledge you have would be useful. Also do you know any more about the car?
Ian.
Dave Wilkinson
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Ian,
I know quite a bit about this car and I've had a lot of e-mails from people potentially interested in buying it. I'va also got a copy of the PPI done on it only a few weeks ago by Autostrasse. e-mail me on 964@porscheclubgb.com and I'll happily let you have what I've got.
BTW, although Porsche acknowledged that it's a Celebration specification, they refused to supply a numbered plaque for it although they DID supply the "30 Jahre" badge for the engine cover (which somebody has stuck on screw whiff!!). The lack of the numbered plaque means that Thomas Englert, for example, will not recognise it as a Celebration, but the other sie of the coin is that it is, at worst, 1 of only 174 cars whereas a true Celebration is 1 of 911.
Regards
Dave
I know quite a bit about this car and I've had a lot of e-mails from people potentially interested in buying it. I'va also got a copy of the PPI done on it only a few weeks ago by Autostrasse. e-mail me on 964@porscheclubgb.com and I'll happily let you have what I've got.
BTW, although Porsche acknowledged that it's a Celebration specification, they refused to supply a numbered plaque for it although they DID supply the "30 Jahre" badge for the engine cover (which somebody has stuck on screw whiff!!). The lack of the numbered plaque means that Thomas Englert, for example, will not recognise it as a Celebration, but the other sie of the coin is that it is, at worst, 1 of only 174 cars whereas a true Celebration is 1 of 911.
Regards
Dave
Interesting...
I had a look at the website, I notice that only 3 are known to have been written off, 2 by UK owners (pictures on the website of 2 of these cars not for the faint hearted)!
I also see that the cars weighs more than the standard C4 although there does not appear to be any additional equipment (aircon, sunroof, sports seats all cost options). Except for the wide body it seems to be neither a more luxurious nor a sportier version. The price seems to be somewhat higher than a standard C4 aswell.
For me this is one for the collectors, better a well sorted C4. No?
I had a look at the website, I notice that only 3 are known to have been written off, 2 by UK owners (pictures on the website of 2 of these cars not for the faint hearted)!
I also see that the cars weighs more than the standard C4 although there does not appear to be any additional equipment (aircon, sunroof, sports seats all cost options). Except for the wide body it seems to be neither a more luxurious nor a sportier version. The price seems to be somewhat higher than a standard C4 aswell.
For me this is one for the collectors, better a well sorted C4. No?
Dave Wilkinson
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Colin,
I think the additional weight of the Celebration would be because the aircon, sunroof and FULL leather interior with airbags were all standard fitments. I'm not sure if there were any options for the Celebration model - Porsche seemed very picky about the spec, to the point where they wouldn't offer any options in colour other than the standard 3 offerings. That's why there has been so much fuss over the Gurads Red one and the other known Oak Green one.
I think the Celebration model is all about exclusivity and luxury - not sportiness.
Regards
Dave
I think the additional weight of the Celebration would be because the aircon, sunroof and FULL leather interior with airbags were all standard fitments. I'm not sure if there were any options for the Celebration model - Porsche seemed very picky about the spec, to the point where they wouldn't offer any options in colour other than the standard 3 offerings. That's why there has been so much fuss over the Gurads Red one and the other known Oak Green one.
I think the Celebration model is all about exclusivity and luxury - not sportiness.
Regards
Dave
Steve Brookes
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Nah......a well sorted C2! Sorry....couldn't resist [
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Well after much deliberation and thought provoking...help and confidence from Dave and Ian (my work colleague). I have taken the plunge and paid the deposit on my dream of owning a 964 Celebration (yes its on the log book and may not be fully recognised by some but then hey ho) whilst in my prime age of 40 (there was also the the Rolex GMTII Master 116710 LN but I am sure it will have to wait!)
Er indoors does not know I have done the deal so watch out for the fireworks...but then she did sting me big time for her kitchen last year!!
So I have joined the Porsche Club GB Forum...help me when I post and don't sabotage my posts!!
Whilst Josh from Finlay gets the list of niggles (very minor) sorted I will take delivery end of this month....and post some pictures....
Oh by the way Insurance....we already have two cars in the family with both of them due for renewals come end November and early December so how best to approach it...triple car policy?
Kind Regards to all
Siraj
Er indoors does not know I have done the deal so watch out for the fireworks...but then she did sting me big time for her kitchen last year!!
So I have joined the Porsche Club GB Forum...help me when I post and don't sabotage my posts!!
Whilst Josh from Finlay gets the list of niggles (very minor) sorted I will take delivery end of this month....and post some pictures....
Oh by the way Insurance....we already have two cars in the family with both of them due for renewals come end November and early December so how best to approach it...triple car policy?
Kind Regards to all
Siraj
Dave Wilkinson
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Siraj,
I'm glad you finally decided to bite the bullet. Once it's sorted I reckon that car will be a cracker. It's certainly not been loved in the past but I think you'll make up for it!!
On the insurance front you may do better to investigate a Classic policy. As long as the car is older than 10 years and it's not a daily driver you can get a policy on a limited mileage with no no claims allowance for much less that you would pay for a regular policy. I pay £220 for a 3,000 mile/year policy with Hagerty at Silverstone.
Regards
Dave
Admiral Multi car policy saved me a load of money this year ...4 cars in total on the policy now ..one car now free due to the savings made this year by switching to them .
deutschland dobson
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ORIGINAL: Dave Wilkinson
Siraj - well done on joining the team
Dave - Sorry to crash the thread, but do you loose your no claims when you take a classic policy with Hagerty? My cover is about £600 a year through Performance Direct and my list of mods is far less than yours
Chris
Dave Wilkinson
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ORIGINAL: deutschland dobson
Dave - Sorry to crash the thread, but do you loose your no claims when you take a classic policy with Hagerty? My cover is about £600 a year through Performance Direct and my list of mods is far less than yours
Chris
Chris,
PM sent.
Dave
Sorry Dave, I was taking the info off that Celebration website, and it does say that it weighs more that the standard C4 and that those three items are options.
Here's the link, about half way down.
http://www.jubi.pocg.de/?The_964_Jubi
The standard spec, apart from a bit of extra leather, does appear to be more or less stock C4, also this, just above the bit about the options:
"but it was heavier then the C4 and had different weight-distribution then (sic) both versions."
The other thing I noticed was, is it LHD only? The reason I ask is that if you look at the register, you might have expeced the RHD cars to be consecutively numbered, but they seemed to be dotted around at random.
I don't know why I'm getting so excited about this [8|]
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