9M ninemeister at Warrington carried out the Motec M48 conversion to the clubsport, long way from Belgium though !
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9M ninemeister at Warrington carried out the Motec M48 conversion to the clubsport, long way from Belgium though !
oldtimer
PCGB Member
As well as Ninemeister there is Bob Watson in the UK who does Motec , near Oxford.
The Bob Watson dyno reading has a lot of credibility , he has not worked on my 964RS but here is a video clip of my early car 911E doing 210 bhp/210 Nm torque... not bad for a 2.4 litre , would scale up to 315 bhp for a 3.6 litre [
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GsAPuKhc_E
MoTec is rubbish. Well that's my opinion. It can not be properly set up on a 964 and is ultimately a compromise. It might be fine on the track when you're flat out but it can't do sensitive/ordinary driving. Stick to standard Motronic, which properly set up i.e. how it left the factory and without fancy/different chips, is best for our cars. My Cup has that set up and it's great. My RS had MoTec and recorded 349 bhp on a certain dyno but was useless. The MoTec was junked and the car returned to standard, which utterly transformed it.
As said above, a good driver will make more difference than MoTec could ever dream of achieving.
Damen
As said above, a good driver will make more difference than MoTec could ever dream of achieving.
Damen
Hacki
Active member
The Cup ECU in fact is great. When the Cups were run in the 90s (and later) in Clubsport many drivers tried to have better chips - it never really worked as far as I remember. On the other hand, after all these years technology should have made a step forward. It would be interesting to hear more opinions.
Spending money on drivers´courses for sure is a better investment than buying horsepower - especially if power delivery is unfriendly afterwards.
Hacki
Nice one Rich, you inherited a well modified car[
]thankfully someone said it before me...i had m3 sport evolution a few years ago with this setup...pure shite,i was in 3.8 964 rs clone at the ring also and it was rubbish,rev counter flickering around same as happened to me in m3..,as you said fine when flat out around track but full of hickups[]
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asjasj
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Not something I've thought about until seeing this video.................how well does the air-cooling work on the rollers? Can see having a fan onto the front oil cooler easily enough, but can the engine fan get enough air like this? I know you're only under load for a minute or so at a time, but heat build up must be massive.
Damen, both my car and Stuarts' were Motec'd at the same time, and both by the magic rolling road briggade.
When I bought my car (and it was checked over by said company), am sure it had a broken dizzy belt to which I was alerted by Mike Wilds at Donnington.
Since sorting this, settling on an exhaust configuration that gives me a reliable 103dB static and having it rolling roaded and live remapped at Chip Wizards (Wayne Schofield) it has been utterly fab. He used a quarter of a tank of Optimax achieving the safe settings that offer the power quoted.
I believe Stuart also has visited Wayne, hence there is no reason it shouldn't be as god as mine is.
The only thing is that in volume sensing the correct mixture, there is no anti-knock sensing, so it is essential to have a bottle of Octane Boost in the car for those times when your favourite fuel isn't quite what it should be. I found this to be a particular issue at Clastres .... [
]Chris
Stuart's car is very nice and, no doubt, a good buy at the suggested sale price. However, I simply don't rate MoTec. Wayne Schofield is hugely skilled, he set my RS up when the Motronic was re-installed. Even he reckoned MoTec wasn't ideal for our cars, unless you want big bhp at the expense of everything else. The really good thing about Stuart's car is that it still has the Motronic ECU so it can be converted back.
The above are just my views but are based on experience of having run both set ups.
I think the time when our cars were the focus of "how many bhp has yours got" kind of questions has, largely gone, and now thankfully merely the subject of "just how good the car was out of the box" conversations.
Damen
Stuart's car is very nice and, no doubt, a good buy at the suggested sale price. However, I simply don't rate MoTec. Wayne Schofield is hugely skilled, he set my RS up when the Motronic was re-installed. Even he reckoned MoTec wasn't ideal for our cars, unless you want big bhp at the expense of everything else. The really good thing about Stuart's car is that it still has the Motronic ECU so it can be converted back.
The above are just my views but are based on experience of having run both set ups.
I think the time when our cars were the focus of "how many bhp has yours got" kind of questions has, largely gone, and now thankfully merely the subject of "just how good the car was out of the box" conversations.
Damen
Damen, I ran both set ups as well, the Motronic on my RHD and LHD 964RS's --- and the Motec on my current N-GT.
My experience of the two Motronics is that it would be backward step from the Motec as I have it on my N-GT, tho' I also have the original Motronic.
Not withstanding this, the car is bigger than it's ECU []
My experience of the two Motronics is that it would be backward step from the Motec as I have it on my N-GT, tho' I also have the original Motronic.
Not withstanding this, the car is bigger than it's ECU [
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ORIGINAL: ChrisW
Strangely this is the most fun on a wet track when a balance between trail braking the front end in to the apex and then steering from the rear is an absolute hoot.
Good memories of Calstre for that!
I'll second that from the passenger seat Hugh!!
I have been reliably informed that the car comes with two 20 Jahre Stickers!
Price now £175,000 and climbing[&:]
Price now £175,000 and climbing[&:]
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