964 RS Touring
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Hi Kieron, Have a 964 RS Touring based in Windsor if you are interested in the car, it is Midnight Blue. No1 of 7 produced for the UK market. Can send pics if you wish. Simon
ORIGINAL: jason What are you going to compare it to and how? Maybe, Oxymoron v Moron []
Fair question, Jason Comparison with the l/w RS, 964 above all to look in detail at the spec differences and then consideration of whether the 'upholstered' version feels significantly different. Btw, I would also be grateful for a presentable RS lightweight for the other half of this story. Anybody living west home counties up for this, please? Likely to take a day of your time. Thanks in advance Kieron Fennelly
I believe the orginal clutch and flywheel in the Tourings were from the standard C2. I don't suppose my Touring is alone in having had a new RS clutch and flywheel- that'd make quite a difference to the "feel"
Maybe a tall order - spec of tourings was much more variable than the 'lightweight' (where did that term come from - not Porsche) and most RS's have some mods - if only a strut brace. Always nice to see a couple of cars in print but it would be really interesting is to include an RS America and a standard Carrera 2 for comparison. Tony
Nice idea chaps. I'd love to include all of them, but I'm editorially committed to comparing with the l/w RS 964 (still looking for a kind volunteer with one of these, by the way). Bromley on June 13 sounds like the venue for a proper RS tea party. We'll get you all in the picture for that one. My write up on the RS America is on www.rsamerica.net, which, incidentally, is a rather good website Kieron Fennelly
It's my understanding that the 964RS Clubsport is the N-GT. The RSR is the 3.8 ?? Actually, mine was for a time a 3.8 (new barrels and pistons) --- and at that time the then owner designated it an RSR. Which of course it wasn't. 9M kindly lifted the 3.8 barrels and pistons when they rebuilt the engine to 3.6 spec with ARP bolts and various other strengthenings to make it more resistant to the possibility of a missed shift !! So, numbers original !! RSR --- discuss ! []
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Interesting discussion... There's obviously some confusion here and I'm not surprised because any book you read on 964RS History seems to tell the tale as the author sees it (which can often be different to what actually happened, and wasn't documented, at the factory). I think if Jason has the real story he needs to step up to the mark and tell us. [] The sources I've read state that M003 Competition versions of the 964 with 99 as the 13th and 14th digits in their VINs were known as Clubsport or RSR. Which could imply that Hugh's 3.6 clubsport could be known as an RSR. Alternatively, it might be interpreted that M003 cars were known as EITHER Clubsport OR RSR depending on final delivery spec. So which is it? Was there a narrow-bodied 3.6RSR also known as a clubsport/N-GT? The wide-bodied 3.8RSR is THE car we all refer to as the RSR nowadays - which may simply be due to it becoming accepted protocol over the years. "The RSR is the 3.8 wide-bodied one, right?" If anyone mentions an RSR - we all immediately picture a wide-bodied 964RS with 3.8 engine and big spoilers. Basically, Ben's beautiful white car. So, was the 3.6 N-GT/Clubsport originally referred to as an RSR by the factory? Edited to say: "Excellence Was Expected" isn't clear. Adrian Streather's "Porsche 911 Enthusiast's Companion" isn't clear. Currently looking at other books to see what they say.
] The sources I've read state that M003 Competition versions of the 964 with 99 as the 13th and 14th digits in their VINs were known as Clubsport or RSR. Which could imply that Hugh's 3.6 clubsport could be known as an RSR. Alternatively, it might be interpreted that M003 cars were known as EITHER Clubsport OR RSR depending on final delivery spec. So which is it? Was there a narrow-bodied 3.6RSR also known as a clubsport/N-GT? The wide-bodied 3.8RSR is THE car we all refer to as the RSR nowadays - which may simply be due to it becoming accepted protocol over the years. "The RSR is the 3.8 wide-bodied one, right?" If anyone mentions an RSR - we all immediately picture a wide-bodied 964RS with 3.8 engine and big spoilers. Basically, Ben's beautiful white car. So, was the 3.6 N-GT/Clubsport originally referred to as an RSR by the factory? Edited to say: "Excellence Was Expected" isn't clear. Adrian Streather's "Porsche 911 Enthusiast's Companion" isn't clear. Currently looking at other books to see what they say.
As far as I am aware - I shan't say "concerned" as I am clearly biased [] - only 964 RSR that existed is the 3.8. 3.8 RSR has a number of fundamental differences straight out of the box compared to the 3.8 RS or 3.8 N-GT albeit that the RSR could be pretty much spec'ed as the customer wished. I mention this as it is not the case with the 3.6 if comparing RS to N-GT e.g. ABS system on 3.8 RSR is unique across the 964 RS family regardless of whether talking 3.6 / 3.8 or narrow-body / wide-body. I suspect that the confusion has arisen over the time in the same way that it has or certainly used to with the 993 N-GT and more specifically the RHD version which has frequently been referred to incorrectly as an "RSR". Something in the back of mind is saying that the RHD may even have been referred to in some marketing material as an "RSR"- does this ring any bells with anybody? Again 993 RSR is a different beastie to the 993 Clubsport / N-GT.
] - only 964 RSR that existed is the 3.8. 3.8 RSR has a number of fundamental differences straight out of the box compared to the 3.8 RS or 3.8 N-GT albeit that the RSR could be pretty much spec'ed as the customer wished. I mention this as it is not the case with the 3.6 if comparing RS to N-GT e.g. ABS system on 3.8 RSR is unique across the 964 RS family regardless of whether talking 3.6 / 3.8 or narrow-body / wide-body. I suspect that the confusion has arisen over the time in the same way that it has or certainly used to with the 993 N-GT and more specifically the RHD version which has frequently been referred to incorrectly as an "RSR". Something in the back of mind is saying that the RHD may even have been referred to in some marketing material as an "RSR"- does this ring any bells with anybody? Again 993 RSR is a different beastie to the 993 Clubsport / N-GT.
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