964 RS Touring

[clubsport]

Rich. 964 RS CS is M003.... Widebody 3.8 racecar is RSR,,,don't forget or get confused with the 964 Rs 3.8 which was the wide bodied road car and 7 widebodied 3.8 RS CS (again road cars). My understanding of the CS/RSR confusion seems to relate to the 993 versions. The 964 RS CS was pre 968 CS in the UK. When the 993 RS CS came along, I am led to believe it was referrred to in the UK as the RSR, the reason being it was a £70k car and the dealer wanted to distance it from the £30k 968CS. Of course the 993 RS CS is not a true 993 RSR, as this was again a more extreme narrow bodied race car with Gt2 style arch extenders than the regular narrow bodied 993 cup. So to recap, I think the 993 RS CS /RSR dealer led confusion has since been applied (incorrectly) to 964 & 993 M003 versions over the last few years, no doubt led by supposed forum expertise. [] Don't worry someone will be along in a minute to say the above is total b%*&ox!

 

[Ben Savill]

great minds think alike Paul and will likely get shot down in flames alike Paul....[]

ORIGINAL: clubsport Rich. 964 RS CS is M003.... Widebody 3.8 racecar is RSR,,,don't forget or get confused with the 964 Rs 3.8 which was the wide bodied road car and 7 widebodied 3.8 RS CS (again road cars). My understanding of the CS/RSR confusion seems to relate to the 993 versions. The 964 RS CS was pre 968 CS in the UK. When the 993 RS CS came along, I am led to believe it was referrred to in the UK as the RSR, the reason being it was a £70k car and the dealer wanted to distance it from the £30k 968CS. Of course the 993 RS CS is not a true 993 RSR, as this was again a more extreme narrow bodied race car with Gt2 style arch extenders than the regular narrow bodied 993 cup. So to recap, I think the 993 RS CS /RSR dealer led confusion has since been applied (incorrectly) to 964 & 993 M003 versions over the last few years, no doubt led by supposed forum expertise. [] Don't worry someone will be along in a minute to say the above is total b%*&ox!

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: RSGulp I think if Jason has the real story he needs to step up to the mark and tell us. []

Damn, see the two posts above already! Starkey certainly never refers to the 'clubsport' as an RSR and points out the differences between them basically saying the clubsport was a more expensive standard RS but with full rollcage, fire extinguisher, different brake pads, clutch and belts... RSR was the designation given to the factory's race cars (to enter worldwide GT racing classes) whereas the Cup car was purely built for the Carrera Cup series and the 'club sport' has always been a variation of a road version I believe. I have a feeling that the shell on a 964RSR/964 Cup is also different to the other road going version shells (including the clubsport/N-GT or whatever we are calling it this week) but i'm not 100% certain why i think that.....lack of food, brain tired.....goes off for his tea...[] Please note I could be completely wrong about all the above and am usually[]

 

[RSGulp]

ORIGINAL: clubsport Don't worry someone will be along in a minute to say the above is total b%*&ox!

ORIGINAL: jason Please note I could be completely wrong about all the above and am usually

This is what I love about these cars. Collectively we all know so much - or do we really? Would be great to find some Deutsch bloke who worked at the factory in 1991-1993 who remembers exactly what they were doing at the time. Paul H's recent post about the factory re-stamping numbers on replacement shells sums it all up. Seems Porsche just did what they felt right at the time, but didn't document much/any of it. Which leaves us with a big RS shaped jigsaw to play with 18 years on. [][&:][]

 

[jason]

I'm pretty sure the RSR/Clubsport 'public' mix up comes from post 993 though as has been said and then got retrospectively applied to mix up the designations in the 964. Certain the factory have no mix up in them whatsoever and never ever called them the same. Mainly internet spread b******* that has caused it.....

 

[Steve Brookes]

My copy of Total 911 dropped on the hall mat today complete with pics of Simon and Tony's cars adorning the front cover and the main feature inside []. Be interested to hear what the experts thought of the article? A bit light on substance but great on pictures I thought ........... and possibly a few too many uses of the full '964 Carrera 2 RS' name when the shortened 964RS form would have done.

 

[h_____]

ORIGINAL: jason I'm pretty sure the RSR/Clubsport 'public' mix up comes from post 993 though as has been said and then got retrospectively applied to mix up the designations in the 964. Certain the factory have no mix up in them whatsoever and never ever called them the same. Mainly internet spread b******* that has caused it.....

Managed to look at Starky's book now too - of course youare right, he doesnt refer to a 3.6 RSR until 1994 - which must have been a 993. Will refer to my car as Clubsport or NGT now!

 

[Barty964rst]

Steve, Always good to see your car in print, and yes I thought the pictures were superb. Alisdair certainly did us proud. The article was an interesting comparison and one I haven't seen before in print. Hopefully bridged the void with (RSL) and (RST) camp, by including Tony's view on my (RST) standard car. They are very different in feel but both offer a rewarding drive. There are also a few inaccuracies in the article technically, but then I guess its only 'geeks' that notice these - Tony, myself and probably most on here. All in all, pleased with the result and always good to see the 964RS in print. Great Day and thanks to Kieron for arranging it all!