964RS + 959 = shared part no's?

[RSGulp]

There's a thread on PH where the OP was asking about the differences between a C2 and an RS. So I listed the differences as far as I know from a list I've had saved on my puter for a while (I'm sure there are some I've missed).

One of the things listed was the thinner side and rear glass - and I also added that the rear glass (with heating element) was actually a part shared with the 959.

Now, someone is doubting the 959 thing so I need to know where the info came from. I'm pretty sure it was from here, and was posted in a(nother) serial numbers discussion. I think Paul Mclean or similar might have posted the info - and I remember we all had a smug grin cos we knew our cars shared something with the 959.

I've searched but can't find the info. Anyone?

 

[964rsdatabase]

I remember reading the thread but can't remember who posted it. It is definitely correct though because some years ago I had to order a drop glass from the factory and it was indeed a 959 part number.

 

[964RS_DAB]

I remember a topic on here that regarding 64rs glass and the fact that the rear window had a part number starting with 959......., someone did go to the trouble of listing all the part codes for the thinner 64rs glass

One of the differences between the Touring and RSCarpet is that the door windows on a Touring are made of thicker glass due to the electric windows, all of the other glass including the rear window and front qtr lights are the thinner glass.....I'll take my anorak off now..

 

[RSGulp]

Cheers guys.

Take a look at the thread here, maybe there's a few other things to add to the list? Quite impressive when you realise just how much is different with an RS compared to a C2.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=813766&mid=34146&nmt=964RS%20door%20cards%20+%20ARBs%20+%20WHY

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

Deleted my last post. Clearly having brain fade at the mo.
Just to make up for it. The list is missing C4 style high pressure braking system with electric servo pump []
Just checked PET and that suggests part number for rear window is 964 545 107 08

 

[964RS_DAB]

that's a pretty comprehensive list Rich, there are a couple of new ones to me - like longer gear lever with different offset, I wonder whether this is just for LHD?

Other items to be added:

doors - I think RS doors are lighter since the reinforcing beams are removed

front bumper - I believe that it's actually lighter than the C2 item as well not having the washer jet holes

Touring/Carpet differences

Touring has an under bonnet and interior light whereas you state the rs carpet doesn't - it never ceases to amaze me there's always something new to learn about these cars

 

[RSGulp]

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that's a pretty comprehensive list Rich, there are a couple of new ones to me - like longer gear lever with different offset, I wonder whether this is just for LHD?

Other items to be added:

doors - I think RS doors are lighter since the reinforcing beams are removed

front bumper - I believe that it's actually lighter than the C2 item as well not having the washer jet holes

If you are sure about these things I'll add them to the list. If any doubt I'll hold back. As you've seen over on PH people are quick to question some things and due to the lack of official information or records it's difficult to substantiate.

I can't take credit for all the info on the list - I've just copy and pasted stuff as it's come up over the years. AND a very large proportion of the list came from Laurence's 964RS Buyer's Guide. Thanks Laurence!

Laurence - where did the info come from regarding shorter rear trailings arms as this too has been questioned on PH?

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Touring/Carpet differences

Touring has an under bonnet and interior light whereas you state the rs carpet doesn't - it never ceases to amaze me there's always something new to learn about these cars

Yep - carpet has no under bonnet and interior roof light - but it does have a glovebox light. [&:]

 

[964RS_DAB]

Rich

I'm 100% confident regarding the door reinforcement beams, less sure about the front bumper though.

I don't think Touring's have a glovebox light, but again not entirely sure and my car is not at home right now so I can't check []

Check out the RS differences on www.porsche964.co.uk in the history section, under RS variants 'lightweight confusion' there's an article by Bob Gagnon which goes in to some detail summarising the differences between RS and C2, and also the RS variant comparisons including N-GT. He fails to mention the front bumper difference and the longer gear lever which you identified, but he's got a couple that I think you missed.....

cheers
David

 

[RSGulp]

Cheers David. It's a great site (it's where I got Laurence's article from) and the Bob Gagnon article is very detailed although there still seem to be some discrepancies.

For example it says Carrera RS Basic - Radio N/A but it's generally accepted that a radio/stereo was an option?

Anyway, I've filled a lot of gaps in the list, corrected some things and I'm sure there's more to add as new info crops up.

Anyway, anorak is off for now. I'm off to drive the car in the Cotswolds in the sun.

 

[pauldishman]

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that's a pretty comprehensive list Rich, there are a couple of new ones to me - like longer gear lever with different offset, I wonder whether this is just for LHD?

Other items to be added:

doors - I think RS doors are lighter since the reinforcing beams are removed

front bumper - I believe that it's actually lighter than the C2 item as well not having the washer jet holes

Touring/Carpet differences

Touring has an under bonnet and interior light whereas you state the rs carpet doesn't - it never ceases to amaze me there's always something new to learn about these cars

There aren't two alike! My Touring has two interior rooflights (one on either side approx above the centre pillar), but no under bonnet or glovebox light

 

[964rsdatabase]

Also, Rich, driveshafts on the RS are hollow whereas standard C2 ones are solid. And the RS ones are longer to allow the use of centrelock wheels. This I know for a fact as I had 2 new ones fitted last week! Oh, and the RS ones are about 30 quid dearer - each. £440 as opposed to £412

 

[ChrisW]

Unbelievable []

 

[RSGulp]

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Also, Rich, driveshafts on the RS are hollow whereas standard C2 ones are solid. And the RS ones are longer to allow the use of centrelock wheels. This I know for a fact as I had 2 new ones fitted last week! Oh, and the RS ones are about 30 quid dearer - each. £440 as opposed to £412

Why did you need new driveshafts....?

 

[ChrisW]

A very silly question, but are they supposed to be twisted ?

I would have thought not, but I can't imagine the car would have run if not designed like that ?

Hollow would make them much more flexible and resilient than solid (and narrower diameter), but would the twist also be a shock absorber (of sorts ?)

I don't know whether to duck for the answers ? ! []

 

[RSGulp]

The pic is a Corvette and is borrowed from PH. No, they're not meant to be like that. I'm sure they're designed to flew and twist to some extent - but if they go too far...

"Pulled out of a petrol station with too much enthusiasm.... Twisting the driveshaft pulled the hub into the wheel well and may have bent the trailing arm or worse..."

 

[Hacki]

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VW Golf R32 - Das Autobahndirne

It´s "Die Autobahndirne" - good one, Rich[]

 

[964rsdatabase]

Rich, the splines were very badly worn on both shafts. The car always had quite significant backlash through the drivetrain ever since I've owned it (but not now). I trust the guys who look after it for the simple reason that I was told by 2 different sources that the car needed a diff rebuild at a cost of between £1800 and £3500 (which is what it was originally booked in for) but they drove the car and correctly diagnosed it was the tyres that were past their best. New tyres fitted, problem solved.

By the way, the guys I use are Jaz in Wembley. Steve is a nice guy and knows his stuff!

 

[RSGulp]

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VW Golf R32 - Das Autobahndirne

It´s "Die Autobahndirne"  - good one, Rich[]

Ah I see. Das Autobahn becomes Die when you add Die Dirne?

Entschuldigen Sie bitte! []

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

Rich the trailing arms should have read shorter travel or limited travel. Not physically shorter. So probably my mistake when i was typing the guide . So Talat is absolutely correct.

 

[Hacki]

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ORIGINAL: Hacki

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VW Golf R32 - Das Autobahndirne

It´s "Die Autobahndirne" - good one, Rich[]

Ah I see. Das Autobahn becomes Die when you add Die Dirne?

Entschuldigen Sie bitte! []

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It´s also "Die Autobahn", sorry for that, Rich.... But you are right, what you add decides about the right article. In the case of "Autobahndirne" both the nowns have a "Die" in German.

Anyway, Autobahndirne is really cool.[][]

Proud of you, Herr Claridge!