964RS Values in Europe SOARING!!!!
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lee fulford
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Examples please desmond..( going soft )..sturdee
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from browsing the for sales on mobile.de & the UK, seems that private sellers expecting up to £30k for RS, trade pricing £32-33k - prices for what appear to be good ones with lowish mileage etc.
white ones obviously cheaper [
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when i was looking 18 months ago you could still get decent ones in trade at about £30k and private at £27k - suggests prices have risen slightly.
to be fair this is not very robust analysis, but H&S seem to have put their prices up in the last couple of months which either validates it or maybe is leading the market...
remember they're not pension funds - they're sportscars, designed to be thrashed mercilessly round a race track. if you want to make money put it elsewhere. get them out of your garages and onto the track[][]
white ones obviously cheaper [
]when i was looking 18 months ago you could still get decent ones in trade at about £30k and private at £27k - suggests prices have risen slightly.
to be fair this is not very robust analysis, but H&S seem to have put their prices up in the last couple of months which either validates it or maybe is leading the market...
remember they're not pension funds - they're sportscars, designed to be thrashed mercilessly round a race track. if you want to make money put it elsewhere. get them out of your garages and onto the track[
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lee fulford
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same here I repeatedly assure the War Department that the thing is going up 10% p/a and make references to handbags, curtains and jewellery not doing quite as well..
Looks like one of the old girls is gonna have to go.
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Looks like one of the old girls is gonna have to go.
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This is a difficult thread for me to contribute to as I obviously have an interest in the value of them. But I'll try and add some information based on my observations of checking mobile.de for the last 5 years. Might keep your other half happy.
First of all I wouldn't say there are more advertised right now than normal. If we use mobile.de as an indicator then a search for 964 RS normally returns between 22 & 30 cars and this fluctuates between those figures through the year. The lower end during the summer and the higher end during the winter. Ok right now today it returns 32, but H&S account for a couple of those selling parts.
Of the cars advertised there are normally a couple of imposters that aren't 964 RS at all. As an aside did anyone see the GT Purely Porsche 993RS buying guide last month that said you could buy a 993 RS for £30k from mobile.de. I would say the lad who did the search didn't realise the car advertised at £30k was a 993 RS "Look" as the Germans call them. If £30k was possible I'd have one in every colour.
Ok back to 964 RS. Of all the 29 cars listed 8 "REAL" 964 RS's are below £30k (2 of them only just). Then there is a big jump to £32k upwards for the rest. In my opinion this does indeed reflect another increase on 6 months to a year ago.
In fear of saying too much I'll just say that I know 4 of the cars under the £30k mark have a story to tell. Just make sure you know what that story is if you're considering one, that way you wont be upset in the future.
And yes lots of the cars above the £32k mark have had cosmetic paint, refurbed wheels, engine rebuilds, so as Matt suggests just enjoy them as intended.
First of all I wouldn't say there are more advertised right now than normal. If we use mobile.de as an indicator then a search for 964 RS normally returns between 22 & 30 cars and this fluctuates between those figures through the year. The lower end during the summer and the higher end during the winter. Ok right now today it returns 32, but H&S account for a couple of those selling parts.
Of the cars advertised there are normally a couple of imposters that aren't 964 RS at all. As an aside did anyone see the GT Purely Porsche 993RS buying guide last month that said you could buy a 993 RS for £30k from mobile.de. I would say the lad who did the search didn't realise the car advertised at £30k was a 993 RS "Look" as the Germans call them. If £30k was possible I'd have one in every colour.
Ok back to 964 RS. Of all the 29 cars listed 8 "REAL" 964 RS's are below £30k (2 of them only just). Then there is a big jump to £32k upwards for the rest. In my opinion this does indeed reflect another increase on 6 months to a year ago.
In fear of saying too much I'll just say that I know 4 of the cars under the £30k mark have a story to tell. Just make sure you know what that story is if you're considering one, that way you wont be upset in the future.
And yes lots of the cars above the £32k mark have had cosmetic paint, refurbed wheels, engine rebuilds, so as Matt suggests just enjoy them as intended.
SimonExtreme
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I just about agree on the LHD values although I doubt you would have to pay more than £35K. For anything over that (unless Clubsport) it needs to be very special ie very low milage etc.
However, RHD cars are not carrying the sort of premium that you would expect. I have just bought what I believe to be a very good car (more I get to know it the better I believe it to be) and paid £38K. I would have expected to pay £35k for a similar LHD car.
I think there is a momentry blip in the RHD prices. I believe that 6-9 months ago you needed to pay at least £40K to get a really good car but this has definately come down. The premium over LHD had got too big and everybody was seeing that the LHD cars represented great value. I would expect the premium for RHD to never be less than 10% but if it gets to 20%, you would need a very good reason not to buy LHD.
Personally I'm a little confused between LHD and RHD pricing on rare cars in general. I think as cars get older the premium between LHD and RHD seems to become irrelevant and its the condition and provenance that drive the premium.
I've seen 4 LHD 965 Turbo S cars sell in the last 12 months for more than is being asked for a RHD example. I guess in this case there is a bigger market to sell into and prices are driven by pan-european demand. RHD prices are only driven by local uk demand, which is different.
I've seen 4 LHD 965 Turbo S cars sell in the last 12 months for more than is being asked for a RHD example. I guess in this case there is a bigger market to sell into and prices are driven by pan-european demand. RHD prices are only driven by local uk demand, which is different.
SimonExtreme
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I have to agree with RSR. This is exactly what is happening in other areas of the market as well. For instance, Ferrari 246 GT Dino's - the gap between a concourse RHD and LHD is almost nothing today. It seems that as the market on the continent is so much bigger, the more they get into rare cars the more they put up the price of LHD cars.
However, when you look at the 964 RS, there is a big difference between the number of LHD cars compared with RHD cars. If you took the number of people per car, I would say that the LHD cars still had more than RHD so the RHD should still carry a premium. I also ct that UK demand is far more seasonal.
However, when you look at the 964 RS, there is a big difference between the number of LHD cars compared with RHD cars. If you took the number of people per car, I would say that the LHD cars still had more than RHD so the RHD should still carry a premium. I also ct that UK demand is far more seasonal.
Ian Donkin
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So what about this one at £24995?
http://www.911virgin.com/964tvs.htm
No doubt you will all know its full and no doubt murky past....
http://www.911virgin.com/964tvs.htm
No doubt you will all know its full and no doubt murky past....
SimonExtreme
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Firstly, the price with no warranty etc is that but the "real" price is £27K. Its white, which is reputed to be the least popular colour (controvercial moment no.1!!). If you look at the interior, it doesn't appear to be very original (seats, steering wheel) There is no mention of milage.
While I am sure its worth every penny, I would imagine that there is a reason for the price. It has clearly been used mainly as a track machine (or the previous owner likes climbing over the roll cage!).
The dealer in question has a good reputation, knows the market and I would expect the car to be correctly priced. I am sure that it will make somebody a happy owner.
SimonExtreme
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Foreign Office - NO. Moderator trying to keep the peace on the Mitsubishi Lancer Forum - YES. And in case you are wondering, the Foreign Office would feel like a holiday compared with the MLR []
Now, it would be interesting to compare the white car with, lets say, a nice red example being sold by a well known trader and contributer to this forum. Again, its a car that seems to be fairly priced [][]
Which goes to prove, if you are dealing with a reputabvle dealer, you will get what you pay for. If the dealer believes that the price is fair and he knows the market, you cannot expect a cheap car to be the bargain of the century but on the other hand, it is unlikely that you are being ripped off.
I saw various cars during my search and spoke to owners/dealers about others. I only spoke to dealers that had been recommended and I am convinced that I didn't see or hear of a single car that was either under or over priced. I am sure there are some over priced cars out there but I don't come across one.
During my search I was seriously impressed by the knowledge and help that the dealers I spoke to gave me, including one who told me to buy the car that I now own even though he might have had a car suitable for me in a few months time. I guess we must be lucky to have a good bunch of specialists around (yes, even you Allan [])
]Now, it would be interesting to compare the white car with, lets say, a nice red example being sold by a well known trader and contributer to this forum. Again, its a car that seems to be fairly priced [
][]Which goes to prove, if you are dealing with a reputabvle dealer, you will get what you pay for. If the dealer believes that the price is fair and he knows the market, you cannot expect a cheap car to be the bargain of the century but on the other hand, it is unlikely that you are being ripped off.
I saw various cars during my search and spoke to owners/dealers about others. I only spoke to dealers that had been recommended and I am convinced that I didn't see or hear of a single car that was either under or over priced. I am sure there are some over priced cars out there but I don't come across one.
During my search I was seriously impressed by the knowledge and help that the dealers I spoke to gave me, including one who told me to buy the car that I now own even though he might have had a car suitable for me in a few months time. I guess we must be lucky to have a good bunch of specialists around (yes, even you Allan [
])SimonExtreme
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Des
There are always special cases. Take the LHD RS with (allegedly) o kms on the clock. How do you price that. Or the 14k miles RHD car with OPC used warranty at £46K. Probably worth it, to the right buyer. And Clubsports are a different matter all together.
As for the car only meant to be LHD, if that is what you want to believe and it makes you happy, fine []. Maybe Porsche have no integrity but I suspect that if they felt the car shouldn't be RHD, they wouldn't have built any. After all, they have done that with other models.
There are always special cases. Take the LHD RS with (allegedly) o kms on the clock. How do you price that. Or the 14k miles RHD car with OPC used warranty at £46K. Probably worth it, to the right buyer. And Clubsports are a different matter all together.
As for the car only meant to be LHD, if that is what you want to believe and it makes you happy, fine [
]. Maybe Porsche have no integrity but I suspect that if they felt the car shouldn't be RHD, they wouldn't have built any. After all, they have done that with other models.
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