As a real beholder of the rear end I must say that 993 arse is something to get wood!
964RS vs 993RS
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I've had both of these and driven most of the forms, plain rs, cs, cup and rsr (not 94) and even motec 64. Both shapes great. My biggest differences would be...
-The steering on the 64 is lovely and pure
-The gear box/shift on the 93 a marked improvement
-The rear end twitchiness improved on 93
Now I have a 93 rs cs. I think it's the most gorgeous of the 911 variants in its shape and curves. To be honest, it's a bit masochistic for road work of any note beyond a weekend blast, but partly that's my track oriented set-up; I'll probably ease it off and go back to more road freiendly settings. I raced it for a year and then retired it 2 years ago. Love it and last of the air cooled road racers.
-The steering on the 64 is lovely and pure
-The gear box/shift on the 93 a marked improvement
-The rear end twitchiness improved on 93
Now I have a 93 rs cs. I think it's the most gorgeous of the 911 variants in its shape and curves. To be honest, it's a bit masochistic for road work of any note beyond a weekend blast, but partly that's my track oriented set-up; I'll probably ease it off and go back to more road freiendly settings. I raced it for a year and then retired it 2 years ago. Love it and last of the air cooled road racers.
PhilRS
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Yes and GT3s also have a longer wheelbase which helps stability. Back when the new 996 model came out, Paul Frere said that the only thing he would change was the longer wheelbase because it attenuated the playfulness/liveliness of the car whose balance was less affected by small modulations of the throttle.
when it goes into 5th gear) are that one can relax, eat a snack, read the news, take a few pictures and marvel at the evolution of the breed passing left and right
That's why I love my '64 Cup, but as Hacki says, just wait until the end of the Kemmel....[
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Back to Ian's query, 993RS on the road quite a different animal -immediately I felt I could comfortabl;y put Mrs Melv in pax seat, luggage for the w/e and trundle off for a French track day and chateau w/e in comfort.........[]
That's why I love my '64 Cup, but as Hacki says, just wait until the end of the Kemmel....[
][]Back to Ian's query, 993RS on the road quite a different animal -immediately I felt I could comfortabl;y put Mrs Melv in pax seat, luggage for the w/e and trundle off for a French track day and chateau w/e in comfort.........[
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Back to Ian's query, 993RS on the road quite a different animal -immediately I felt I could comfortabl;y put Mrs Melv in pax seat, luggage for the w/e and trundle off for a French track day and chateau w/e in comfort.........[
That was a factor so the 993RS in question has got carpets, no cage and (shock horror) aircon - Mrs has never even sat in the 964
Ian
Richard Dawson
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Always a great debate on the 993 vs 964.
I too have had both, currently 993. I sort of agree with what has been said above and would say they are just different and equally engaging! Interestingly I have just bought a 1980 3.0sc with a 270 bhp 3.2 lump in which entertains but again differently!
My friend who lives in Switzerland has just bought a 964 RS and we met up at the 'Ring. It prooved interesting. His has 275 bhp mine a Wayne Schofield 296 BHP but with a nice torque curve. In a straightline the 964 is faster. It has less drag so no surprise.
In the corners the 993 is faster. A good example is Lauda curves where I don't need to lift but the 964 front is washing wide.
In fast corners like at the top of Kesselchen(?) where you are balls out in 6th and it is bumpy the 993 is much more secure.
Interestingly the 993 feels more modern and the 964 feels like a more sorted 3.0sc!
When i first got my 993 I did think it felt rubbish, but then got the varioram reconnected and found 40 bhp, sorted out the geometry and put on GT" evo rear subframe bushes (the best single transformation ) and then it became for me the most wonderful 'Ring vehicle ever.
The final improvement over the 964 is the brakes as in the 993 they are like the hand of God and its more stable.
So i think on a track (and the road as it doesn't bounce off) the 993 RS is faster and for 300 bhp goes so much harder than it ought. Many times people assume it has a turbo (usually Subarishi owners...).
993 RS dearer to run with the big brakes and scary rear suspension arm prices...
In an ideal world I'd have a 964 RS, a 993 RS , a 993 GT2 for the sake of it and an early 911 hotrod for kicks.
If i could only have 1? 911 hotrod...or would it be the 993 ...or the 964...there is the fun!!
ps If I was being really truthful the softie inside me does like the pas and a/c in the 993..
I too have had both, currently 993. I sort of agree with what has been said above and would say they are just different and equally engaging! Interestingly I have just bought a 1980 3.0sc with a 270 bhp 3.2 lump in which entertains but again differently!
My friend who lives in Switzerland has just bought a 964 RS and we met up at the 'Ring. It prooved interesting. His has 275 bhp mine a Wayne Schofield 296 BHP but with a nice torque curve. In a straightline the 964 is faster. It has less drag so no surprise.
In the corners the 993 is faster. A good example is Lauda curves where I don't need to lift but the 964 front is washing wide.
In fast corners like at the top of Kesselchen(?) where you are balls out in 6th and it is bumpy the 993 is much more secure.
Interestingly the 993 feels more modern and the 964 feels like a more sorted 3.0sc!
When i first got my 993 I did think it felt rubbish, but then got the varioram reconnected and found 40 bhp, sorted out the geometry and put on GT" evo rear subframe bushes (the best single transformation ) and then it became for me the most wonderful 'Ring vehicle ever.
The final improvement over the 964 is the brakes as in the 993 they are like the hand of God and its more stable.
So i think on a track (and the road as it doesn't bounce off) the 993 RS is faster and for 300 bhp goes so much harder than it ought. Many times people assume it has a turbo (usually Subarishi owners...).
993 RS dearer to run with the big brakes and scary rear suspension arm prices...
In an ideal world I'd have a 964 RS, a 993 RS , a 993 GT2 for the sake of it and an early 911 hotrod for kicks.
If i could only have 1? 911 hotrod...or would it be the 993 ...or the 964...there is the fun!!
ps If I was being really truthful the softie inside me does like the pas and a/c in the 993..
Some interesting views and insights here, mostly suggesting that - as you might expect, the later car is a bit quicker 'out the box' (race driven development?) and a bit 'softer' (marketing driven development?). Personally, (which is what it's all about with these cars) the 964 looks like a 911, clean, compact, just perfect! The 993 doesn't, it's bigger and bulbous like one day it might just turn into a good looking 'modern' shape - like a 997 GT3.
BTW for the softies among you, if want pas, the rhd 964RS is available, and if you look very hard, you can find the odd lightweight with air!
Tony
BTW for the softies among you, if want pas, the rhd 964RS is available, and if you look very hard, you can find the odd lightweight with air!
Tony
Based on my viewings of the last year or so I'm not sure I agree. I have seen plenty of 993rs at track days and more so than 964. I would see a related point though which is to thrash a 80 grand car around a race track where, by definition, you are pushing the limit does lead me (and I suspect others) to think about the risk a bit more. That being said, the 964 is still plenty of car, if it's a decent one, to chuck into the barriers.
All about personal outlook I guess. I saw a completely rebuilt orange '73rs being used as one gentlemen's "track day toy" as he wanted a "cheap car" to thrash a bit so he could keep the other serious classics for special! Got to love that.
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