968 TS

[Guest]

I had a passenger ride yesterday in a 968 turbo S.
It's pretty amazing what 500 cm3 can add to the performance of a turbo engine.
While a chipped 944 turbo 250 (eg Guru chips) feels stretched to the limit, the 968 tS delivers faster acceleration with disconcerting ease and smoothness, a bit in the way of a big GT car.

I had always been wondering why Porsche did not keep on building these cars, but after this ride I feel more bitter than ever [>:]

 

[Diver944]

Wow nice going Thom [8D] Was this one of the genuine ones (less than 20 made I think) or a conversion using a 3 litre lump and the 944 Turbo?

A bunch of us went to a trackday at Croft a few years ago and there was a genuine 968 Turbo S there. It was deceptively fast and whisper quiet as it flew down the pit straight only about 4 foot away from me standing on the pit wall []

 

[Guest]

Yes, it was a genuine one. This one actually :

Can you remember the one you saw at Croft ? Colour, etc ?

 

[Diver944]

Actually no [&:] I can't even remember the colour of the thing (getting old)

But I do know I have a picture of it saved on an old PC at home. I'll see if I can dig it out sometime this week

 

[Guest]

Silly question but how easy would it be to mate up a 944 Turbo unit to the 968 i.e. whats involved ?

Mike

 

[John Sims]

whats involved ?

Lots, and lots, and lots of money

 

[John Sims]

IIRC the 968T used the 3 litre S2 engine not the 968 unit with the variable valve timing. I further seem to recal that Turbo engines generaly run a lower compression ratio to normaly aspirated engines in order to reduce preignition of the heated fuel air charge.

So in addition to the turbo, the pipe work, the engine management, a few ancillery bits and an intercooler, you need a bespoke inlet manifold and a completely different head. Not too much of a job then []

 

[2alexcoo]

ORIGINAL: John Sims

IIRC the 968T used the 3 litre S2 engine not the 968 unit with the variable valve timing. I further seem to recal that Turbo engines generaly run a lower compression ratio to normaly aspirated engines in order to reduce preignition of the heated fuel air charge.

So in addition to the turbo, the pipe work, the engine management, a few ancillery bits and an intercooler, you need a bespoke inlet manifold and a completely different head. Not too much of a job then []

I believe it was the regular 968 block with the head from the 944 2.7 (the only 8 valve head with the 104mm bore spacing), plus a lot of proven 944 turbo bits and pieces. Lots of money, obviously.

Or if money really is no object, PowerHaus in the US will do you a 3.0 litre turbo with the 16 valve head. This produces about 450bhp at the wheels. Hubba hubba!

 

[Guest]

I'll get me coat then


I've just been looking at ninemeister, nice supercharger kit but 5.5K fitted [:-] over half what the car cost. They've got some interesting multi throttle bodies though which might be worth further investigation.

mmmm too many things to do so soon and I haven't even got the car home yet[]

 

[hawkhead]

Paul you are getting old []

The 968 TS at Croft was dark metallic blue, pic here

http://www.titanic.co.uk/cgi-bin/galleryimage.py?intReqPict=1519&intReqGall=2

 

[Fen]

That's gorgeous. I love those wheels.

I believe that the 968TS head was in fact a special - most similar to the 2.7 head, sure, but not the same. I would definitely have coated exhaust ports like the 944T head as a minimum. I was definitely 8valve though.

I would have thought a 944T engine would fit in a 968 without too much expense (take the ECS and everything from the 944), but it would have been much cheaper to buy a 944T and fir the 968 body panels and transmission if that's what you're after.

 

[944Turbo]

I must be getting old too I thought the one at Croft was Black, was very nice anyway!
Thought it was based on a 2.5turbo head - but could be wrong, with Garrett turbo and different air flow metering set up.

It was a club trackday so does anyone know the owner?
Tony

 

[Diver944]

That Croft trackday was memorable for many reasons:- watching David Sims change his wheels, Tony passing the Fezza, Tony spinning with Neil in the car, Steve Cox's tailgate opening at every bump, Andrew Sweetenhams throttle sticking open [] - we must do it again.

That 968 TS looks to be the same colour as the one that Thom was in at the top of this thread. I wonder if they are one in the same, there are so few and I would have thought they'd all be yellow, black or red. Thom how long has the owner had it?

 

[John Sims]

5.5K fitted over half what the car cost.

You little Devil Mike,

Does this mean you picked up a 968 for under £10K?

 

[Fen]

He posted elsewhere, so i guess no secret - £8k. Bl00dy good deal IMO.

 

[John Sims]

£8k. Bl00dy good deal IMO.

I'd be tempted to move on from the Turbot for that money - and there was me pulling someones leg about not keeping his Porsches for very long []

 

[Diver944]

Can I have your ARB's and strut brace then? []

 

[Fen]

ORIGINAL: John Sims
I'd be tempted to move on from the Turbot for that money - and there was me pulling someones leg about not keeping his Porsches for very long []

You think it's a move on from a Turbo do you? No offence to 968 owners but I'd see it as a backward step personally (especially a left hooker).

 

[944Turbo]

Must admit I was suprised that many CS's dont have MO30 or an LSD. I think the only one that would tempt me is the Turbo and then I am would feel guilty driving it hard as it is such a rare beast - well maybe not, but I would feel bad after []

Tony

 

[Diver944]

Yes, why would you want a slower car []

Personally I love the shape and look of the 968 (apart from that trim under the cill) and with the 17" wheels (or the 18" Turbo S ones)it's a beast, but I also love the boost from a tweaked Turbo. John, I should keep the Turbo, buy the 968 and transpose the best bits of both cars, and I'll have the leftovers for my S2 []

Don't forget to add Andrew Sweetenhams latest Map kit for your 400bhp + fire breathing 968 [8D]