991.1 GTS v 991.2 GTS

PJ63 · Jul 7, 2017

Any advise on the below would be welcome.

I'm looking at getting GTS & have looked at a 65 reg 4 GTS for about 98K but have also enquired about 17 reg GTS at 108K so just wandered peoples thoughts was re the 2, as I can't quite get my head around paying 98K for a nearly 2 year old one (all be it the last of the normally aspirated ones) when I can get a 4 mth old one for only 10K more. As I said all thoughts/advise are welcome.

RussellFunnell · Jul 7, 2017

I had a 991.1 C2S Cab with similar thoughts of getting a GTS and test drove a 991.2 GTS at Hatfield and I though that the general upgrades on the gen 2 car were worth it, the power delivery of the new engine and turbos was awesome and while not as vocal as the normally aspirated engine, it made some nice noises but a little more subdued.

cymro · Jul 7, 2017

Having traded in a 2015 991.1 4GTS 3 months ago for a 991.2 2GTS, I would go for the 991.2 GTS. I find it lot more responsive and easier to drive. When in sports mode, the exhaust note is just at the correct level. At first, I did miss the sound of the 991.1, but now I am used to it. The new PCM is excellent, far superior to the PCM 3.0.

Make sure you spec the RWS, well worth it. I went for the -20mm suspension and I just find it correct. Have had no problems with speed bumps, but obviously slow down .

Porker911gts · Jul 8, 2017

They are both great cars so there is really no wrong choice, just what's best or most suited for you which you can only tell through driving them.

I own a 991.1 GTS rear WD PDK, after various 911 including 997GTS, 996C4S and for me it is the best of all previous versions. The noise, the looks (in sapphire blue), the handling and the fact you have to really drive it to get the performance, it's a real occasion to drive.

i had a 991.2 rear WD on the Porsche precision course at Silverstone To see whether I wanted to change. Again stunning car, definitely faster in the low to mid range without the real top end shrill and rush of the NA car. It felt effortless to go seriously quick in, whilst still being a great drivers car. If that's your thing then the version is probably the one to go for.

as you say £10k premium is not much for the newer car, but I'd wage a bet come three years the position in the other way round given the 991.1 GTS is the last of the NA cars

enjoy

RussellFunnell · Jul 8, 2017

my car will be built on 21st of this month which means it should be ready within a couple of weeks of that date, does having it reg'd 17 vs 67 make any real difference to value on these cars?
OPC says not, but tbh they would say that.

Its not the plate as I'll have a private plate, just value and I don't really want to wait any longer than I have to as loads of work trips start end of Sept, so I'll just be robbing myself of 3 weeks or so of extra driving while the weather be nice (hang on to that thought!)

Gorsh · Jul 8, 2017

RussellFunnell said:
my car will be built on 21st of this month which means it should be ready within a couple of weeks of that date, does having it reg'd 17 vs 67 make any real difference to value on these cars?
OPC says not, but tbh they would say that.

Its not the plate as I'll have a private plate, just value and I don't really want to wait any longer than I have to as loads of work trips start end of Sept, so I'll just be robbing myself of 3 weeks or so of extra driving while the weather be nice (hang on to that thought!)

If you keep it a couple of years of more I doubt it'll make any difference. Mine is due at the OPC in late July so I'm registering it early August.

jchauval · Jul 9, 2017

You guys really need to check out my car i have just put up for Sale. It is the best specced GTS ever, every single option ticked, carbon ceramic brakes, sports bucket seats, burmeister stereo, wall to wall leather and alcantara, every single option... and have i mentioned Manual, so the best you can be. 2015 991.1, 3.8 litre, 10k miles. Selling as going back home to Australia soon. Its for sale via Maundrells, check it out if you want a bargain. Super lovely car. https://www.maundrells.co.uk/porsche-911-carrera-gts-carbon-buckets-ceramics-sports-exhaust-in-oxfordshire-for-sale-6187746

and as you may have seen have an extra set of wheels available

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PJ63 · Jul 11, 2017

Hi All

Thanks to all that have replied, much appreciated. Still not sure, so I'm going for a back to back test drive of both cars, which hopefully will make up my mind up as I've decided to go with which ever gets me more excited, rather than what my head tells me. Thanks to 'jchauval' for the details of yours as it looks like an awesome car, unfortunately I want a PDK so not quite right. Anyway I'll post my thoughts after the drive on Thursday.

Porker911gts · Jul 11, 2017

Enjoy

PJ63 · Jul 14, 2017

Well, I went for a drive of both today, back to back. First I drove the new 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS which was awesome, really smooth & ridulously quick, what a car. Then I drove the 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS & again what a car, not as quick (but still ridiculously fast) or as smooth but the noise, the feel & just something else that put a bigger smile on my face. So both are great cars & there is no wrong choice, but for me, as this is a second weekend car, I have decided to go for 991.1 & hence have paid my deposit & hope to pick it up in time for the run up to the Silverstone Classic.
Thanks to again to those that replied, I really appreciate your time from a very excited PJ63.

Porker911gts · Jul 14, 2017

As you say both great choices, but in my opinion the choice you made is just a little bit greater ??

Im in the Brecon Beacons for a couple of days filling the valleys with the sounds of the NA 3.8 flat six, great roads

Kettleboy_VooDoo · Jul 17, 2017

I did just the opposite, drove the 991.1 and 991.2 and fell for the latter.

I found the 991.1 to be a screamer and had to work it really hard to find the fun zone, which i know some people love. having come from other Turbo models, i found the power on demand in the 991.2 suited me much better.

jeffpeck · Jul 17, 2017

Kettleboy
I completely agree. The 991.2 4GTS, which I have, imho is a much easier, smoother powered engine and, for me, much more enjoyable to drive than my previous 991.1 C2S.

PJ63 · Jul 21, 2017

Kettleboy & Jeffpeck
Congrats on your cars guys & yes the 991.2 4GTS is an awesome car & completely get why you would go for it. I'm happy with my choice & have just picked my 991.1 4GTS up & enjoyed my first drive home. Will look forward to seeing both versions at Silverstone next weekend.

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jeffpeck · Jul 23, 2017

PJ63 - yr car looks great. Hope to say hello at Silverstone on Friday.

SteveR_Chester · Aug 1, 2017

Smashing colour PJ63. I think the privacy glass and glass sunroof give the car more black contrast - "meaner".
Facing exactly the same decision you went through and others on this forum have.
So a 991.1, not much discount on a new one, maybe you get a better spec, but its got miles on the clock, and the usual risks of second hand ownership, but arguably, will it hold its value better, is it more desirable as the last of the NA engines...
I've landed in the same place as Kettleboy - I think the noise is nicer on the 991.1 but I feel the driving experience in the 991.2 is closer to what I enjoy, and the engine note I still find appealing [

]. Also, for that amount of money, I just feel more comfortable with brand new, no miles, dealer warranty etc.
As to the residuals, many cleverer / more experienced Porsche owners here, and I guess time will tell - but I would hope that a GTS of any type will have stronger residuals than most other 911 versions.
I am interested in people's views on AWD vs 2WD. On the few test drives hours I have under my belt, the 2WD feels a bit livelier, but I have a sense that I might appreciate the AWD for using it all year round in inclement conditions?

PJ63 · Aug 3, 2017

SteveR

I have had 2WD & 4WD 991's & only went for the 4WD GTS because the car was a high spec 1 owner low mileage one but I would try & drive both & go with what ever you prefer as we all have different likes & you need to go with your own gut. Hope you find one & enjoy.

RussellFunnell · Aug 6, 2017

I picked up my car yesterday and have driven 260 miles already and the car has been superb, I absolutely love it! Although not as loud with PSE on as it was in the Gen 1, there's not that much in it. I've not opened the car right up yet and maybe up the top end there's more difference, but quiet it certainly is not!

And quick!!! Flaming heck, it's going to be devastatingly quick.

Another long drive rove next weekend ??

Gorsh · Aug 7, 2017

RussellFunnell said:
I picked up my car yesterday and have driven 260 miles already and the car has been superb, I absolutely love it! Although not as loud with PSE on as it was in the Gen 1, there's not that much in it. I've not opened the car right up yet and maybe up the top end there's more difference, but quiet it certainly is not!

And quick!!! Flaming heck, it's going to be devastatingly quick.

Another long drive rove next weekend ??

I collected my new 991.2 C2 GTS on Saturday too! I came from a BGTS, and fully agree with you about the car. It is simply stunning, looks, handling and performance (only scratched the surface there yet) are so good it is going to b a special car.

(I need to change my profile and photo - having a few days holiday in the car so not time for that yet!)
Gordon.

BigCat · Aug 7, 2017

This "noise" issue between the two model generations of the GTS may be a bit misleading.
What you will mainly hear inside the Gen 1 GTS is the induction noise piped in by the flap on top of the engine that enters the car under the shelf at the back, Porsche call this the Sound Symposer. On the outside the noise from the Sports Exhaust is very loud when the car is driven hard but that also applies to the Gen 2 GTS, however what you wont get is the induction noise of the Gen 1. Having owned a Gen 1 C2 GTS and now a Gen 2 C4 GTS I much prefer the latter in every respect, it's much easier to get moving quickly and the range on a full tank is significantly better than the previous car and that's a comparing with a 2WD.
I watched my son driving the GTS on Friday at the Silverstone PEC and can vouch for the fact that the exhaust noise on full throttle is very loud.
Personally, I prefer the prospect of letting the car I overtook hear as well as see what went past