991.2 GTS

[Gorsh]

Hi Gordon - colour is a real personal thing, so you have to go with what you like best, below is a link to an article with the first drive of a 991.2 4 GTS. Review is a bit bland, but does have some pictures of the car in graphite blue. My last car was guards red and it was very attractive/striking to look at. Based on the pics below, I'd say it was significantly nicer than the graphite blue, but as noted - personal preference.

The red is stunning, but looks best when gleaming, and in British weather gets dirty quickly. While I love washing the car, with red you need to do it very regularly (which in Scotland meant almost after every use!). I also saw a carmine red car in the flesh next to my last gaurds red car, and while mine was nice - the carmine was really special looking. Best thing to do is go on youtube and look up 991's being delivered/test driven in various colours, this will give you a better indication as the configurator is not the best way to chose. Red also attracts a lot of attention, all positive in my experience. People were always stopping me to ask about the car, and had kids waving etc as it is quite a striking look, particularly with the black. Silver is a bit more subtle but all depends on what you want. Red looks best on a sunny day, but when it's grey/grim outside I always felt it didn't fit quite right. Depends on what you'll use it for.

Hope this helps, choosing is part of the fun!

http://www.pistonheads.co...amp;utm_campaign=Enews Bulletin&utm_content=PHDS - ENews Bulletin (02.02.2017)::Main_1_1&utm_source=20170202

Thanks very much for your post, very helpful. More 911's are Black, White, Silver or Grey than any other colour. I think black or white have the same issue as you have experienced with Guards Red - looking dirty after each drive. My Boxster GTS is Guards so I know where I am with that colour, perhaps strangely or maybe it's that personal view again, but I feel the red stands a bit of grime quite well. The 991.2 GTS has lots of black trim and the Turbo wheels - red and black go well together IMO. However, something in me wants a change - GT Silver is very nice, classy but not striking, and can look 'bland' in certain lighting - but it too goes very well with the black trim and wheels. Agate Grey is classy, I'm not so keen on the look with the black wheels and trim, but I might feel different when I see it in the flesh. I'm rambling here, but you can understand the difficulty I'm having - I wonder about Carmine, it is very nice - but I hate the idea of paying £1800 for what is a solid colour. I will keep deliberating and look at a few around Porsche Centres when I get a chance (they are all a ferry trip away so don't get many chances).

 

[RBH]

Mine is looked from the 13th Feb, anticipated build early March

 

[lowndes]

Something different - colour choice.

I may be wasting my time as it's so much a personal choice, but I'd like to know if anyone has got, or has seen a 991 in Graphite Blue. What do you think of it please?

Over the years I have had most flavours of grey including Slate, Meteor and Agate. However, this time I have gone for Graphite Blue. I hear the car is currently at OPC Tewkesbury pending collection 1 March but I haven't actually seen it yet. It won't be to everyone's taste but hopefully not in the marmite category either.

 

[Gorsh]

Over the years I have had most flavours of grey including Slate, Meteor and Agate. However, this time I have gone for Graphite Blue. I hear the car is currently at OPC Tewkesbury pending collection 1 March but I haven't actually seen it yet. It won't be to everyone's taste but hopefully not in the marmite category either.

Well, something a little different is often good. The reason I was asking is the blend of grey and blue sounds great, but lots of photos look flat as if it's got no shine, and others look fantastic. There is a thread on BoXa.net of someone who has bought a 718 in GB and they have posted photos which look good too and they are very pleased with the way it changes in different lighting - sometimes more blue and sometimes more grey.
I'd love to see photos when you get a chance.

 

[Porker911gts]

saphire blue?

 

[Gorsh]

saphire blue?

Sapphire is a lovely colour, when I bought my Boxster I was close to going for it, but then decided on Guards Red, my reasoning being it was more pleasing to live with over the long term. Another person would probably say the same about Sapphire. The other 'bright' colours like Miami and Yellow look great when I see them but thinking about having that colour for years makes me realise I don't want them on my car. It is really difficult choosing - I need to wander around OPC's looking at all the colours then hopefully I will settle on one. I still like Guards Red, but I do fancy a change - GT Silver and Agate Grey are classy sleek colours, but may be 'bland' for a sports car and more suited to a saloon car. This is why I asked above about Graphite Blue - a bit different but still classy too? I need to see it in the flesh, indoors and outdoors to see the variations in it. Cameras, despite all the technology they have don't capture these colours as our eyes see them.

 

[Dylan1]

I opted for safe agate grey but made it more interesting ! With a red roof and red full leather interior
I'm pleased with the effect

 

[SteveJC]

Agate with black wheels, black decals, black roll bar and roof, the PCCB's will certainly stand out.
Steve

 

[Gorsh]

Agate with black wheels, black decals, black roll bar and roof, the PCCB's will certainly stand out.
Steve

Haha, well I think red S calipers are prettier - plenty good enough and much cheaper!
Seriously though Agate is a great colour, just not ideal to me with the black Turbo centre lock wheels - it would be a real shame to give them up for Carrera S ones (no cost option in silver or black, and the only other wheels available on the GTS) I'm not generally keen on black wheels at all really, but those Turbo centre locks are lovely.

 

[pwebb]

Gordon
Best advice on colour is to go to your dealer and look out the back lot at the new cars coming in. Graphite Blue, Lava Orange, Guards Red, various silvers etc all look very different in daylight rather than the confines of a studio lit showroom. I was going to order Lava Orange on my 991.2 until I saw a very dull looking 718 in the car park. Most disappointing. Graphite Blue looks stunning in the showroom but I'd want to see one outside to be sure. If your dealer is unable to help, a trip to Reading HQ will spoil you for choice.


As far as your comment about Clive being wrong and that you have to have RWS in order to specify PCCBs, I think you're wrong. As far as I know you can order a boggo C2 and have PCCBs and nothing else. Certainly the configurator allows you to.

There was a lively debate about the benefit of PCCB v PDDC when I was ordering. I can't find the link at the moment, but I'm sure if you run a search you will track it down. By the way I listened to the informed opinions of the knowledgeable members here and went with PDDC and RWS.

 

[unclewinks]

Just by a Turbo S and be done with it ??

 

[cymro]

Hi Peter

I have sticked to the Carrera white/ black combination again, I know the colour and like it. I have also some Carrera white touch up paint left which needs to be used []
I have read the various threads on your previous posting regarding the RWS/PDCC when you were speccing yours and have gone for the RWS/PDCC. Now the order has been Locked in for a few days, no more changes.

Huw

 

[BigCat]

I have had two 991 GTS, one with -20mm and PDCC, and one with -10mm and PDCC (pretty sure it was Adrian's from Tewksbury - thanks for looking after it so well before I had it)
The current car with -10mm I see as a great everyday ride, "spirited" driving is good and at the same time soaking up the speed bumps. For the feeling of a go cart I still feel that I preferred the sports PASM -20mm (also preferring the visual stance of the car) but the problem was the constant grounding on large speed bumps, so for a new car I would specify the front lift - although the new design seems to have a throw away black plastic front On the front bumper - but it would still wind me up grounding it!

I would specify PDCC again if I had another, but probably only because I would want to be sure of the same experience again. There are loads of cars out there without it, they can't all be wrong can they ?
BUT,
If you are questioning it, and can afford it, then spec it, the last thing you want is to get is to get your new car and wonder what if ...... Besides you'll probably shift it easier in the second hand market with it than without it.
Ian

I ordered my GT Silver 991.1 GTS (which it sounds like Ian991 now has, and by the way if that's the case you really have a great car there) with PDCC after a back to back drive of a C2S without PDCC and a Turbo S which has it has standard. It was a no brainer decision for me, the cornering is much flatter and the car just feels that much more planted on the road whilst cornering however, the one option I regretted not ordering was PCCB (which I now have on my Macan GTS). Last October I p/xd my 991.1 GTS for a 991.2 C4S which had RWS but no PDCC and I noticed the difference straight away. Without going in to the details of why, I now have on order a 991.2 C4GTS with RWS, PDCC and PCCB, I toyed with the idea of a Turbo but after another back to back drive at PEC Silverstone between a Turbo S and a 991.2 C4S whilst the sheer grunt and acceleration off the Turbo is amazing, I really preferred the C4S, I think it has a more "involving" driving experience and even by sacrificing some of the options it was still going to cost me £12K more than the C4GTS so the latter is what I chose. I've also retained the Coupes standard fit Sport PASM.

 

[Gorsh]

Gordon
Best advice on colour is to go to your dealer and look out the back lot at the new cars coming in. Graphite Blue, Lava Orange, Guards Red, various silvers etc all look very different in daylight rather than the confines of a studio lit showroom. I was going to order Lava Orange on my 991.2 until I saw a very dull looking 718 in the car park. Most disappointing. Graphite Blue looks stunning in the showroom but I'd want to see one outside to be sure. If your dealer is unable to help, a trip to Reading HQ will spoil you for choice.

As far as your comment about Clive being wrong and that you have to have RWS in order to specify PCCBs, I think you're wrong. As far as I know you can order a boggo C2 and have PCCBs and nothing else. Certainly the configurator allows you to.

There was a lively debate about the benefit of PCCB v PDDC when I was ordering. I can't find the link at the moment, but I'm sure if you run a search you will track it down. By the way I listened to the informed opinions of the knowledgeable members here and went with PDDC and RWS.

Thanks Peter, good advice on colour, I will do that. The comments around RWS is that Clive would choose PDCC above it, and I pointed out that if you choose PDCC you also have to have RWS - nothing to do with PCCB (that was another topic discussed). I don't know what the configurator allowed in the past, but on the car I'm looking at (991.2 GTS) that is the case. However, you can have RWS without PDCC so that is what I will be doing, it is a popular choice recommended by journalists, members of PH forum, and also directly to me in discussion with two different OPC salesmen. Having said that I value everyones opinion and respect their choices, but in the end I will take into account opinions from as many places as I can find, then try some options out on test drives and make my own mind up. The trouble with test drives for me it is on unfamiliar roads (being so far from home) and you don't really get to know a car even in an extended test drive, so I have to take on board various opinions to help choose options. I absolutely will not put expensive options on my car if I don't think I will benefit from them.

 

[pwebb]

This is the link I referred to: https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=917964&high=PCCB+v+PDDC which may be worth a read through.

 

[SteveJC]

My Targa 991.2 GTS is now locked with an April build date, I've specified this car fairly high, but it is purely for myself and I intend to use and enjoy it by putting miles on it both here and abroad.
The Targa for me is the one I really wanted, with it's retro style and looks, the coupe I feel is still the sexiest and sleekest looking of them all but I do not like the new style sunroofs in any guise.
I looked for a while for a used 991 Targa GTS, as I thought it had to be NA, but could not find the spec I wanted and following all the various comments both negative and more lately positive, followed by a test drive in a .2 S realised the new one is better in a lot of ways and at least it meant I could have one specified exactly as I wanted it.
Agate grey is my colour choice, nice and subtle and I believe it suits it well although Meteor would have been my favourite choice but wouldn't pay the extra, looked at all colours, Miami was a close second, but having a GT4 in Racing yellow gives me my colour fix.
Black centre lock wheels, hope these look better than the original 991 GTS ones or they will be in the coaters pretty quick.
PCCB's, great stopping power, look fantastic how they fill the space, especially with black wheels, absolutely no comparison for me.
Sport design rear, not seen one of these in the flesh and it looks as though it's gone from the configurator, will just have to see when and if it comes with it.
Rear wiper, a must for wet Wales, parking sensors and rear camera, saves my wife guiding me back, smoking package, missed specifying this on the GT4, just gives another 12v socket ( I hope ), Alcantara, just love it especially with red stitching.
Just hope it's delivered in time for our regional tour of Southern Ireland at the end of May.
Steve

 

[pwebb]

Your spec seems great Steve, and will give the car a very classy look. Will be interested to see what the Sport design end result is too.

 

[Gorsh]

This is the link I referred to: https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=917964&high=PCCB+v+PDDC which may be worth a read through.

Thanks very much for the link Peter, I've read it right through. Very interesting and lots of excellent opinions and advice there. How are you finding your new car now you've had it a while - very nice spec by the way, and I'm a Guards lover too, my BGTS always has me turning to look back at it after parking. Part of me wants a change this time, but the 991.2 GTS would look great in Guards with the black wheels and trim.
I'm going back to the configurator to see if I can get some inspiration for man maths to work if I add PDCC - I hope you can live with your conscience if I spend more than I intended!!!

I see that I can choose PDCC and Rear Axle Steering with either the -10mm standard PASM or with the -20mm sports PASM. I had intended going for the standard PASM for extra ground clearance so that's handy. Hmmm, I'll have to see if there is a demonstrator with and without PDCC to compare. Thanks again.
Gordon.

 

[pwebb]

TBH I haven't even run the car in yet - much to my own disgust. Spent far too much time in Spain [] since I got it. There's nothing I would change at the moment, and I'm in a bit of a minority preferring the narrow body/2WD format. Certainly, as mentioned elsewhere, the turn in is excellent, particularly on sharp bends, hairpins and the like, which is where the effect of RWS is most noticeable.

Here's a gratuitous picture, for no particular reason

 

[garyw]

I'd have to agree with some of the posts that the RWS was the biggest leap from 997 to 991.

I was fortunate to spend some time in a 991 Turbo and even after all the power and speed the one thing that made me sit up was the RWS especially on lower speeds.