991 gen 2
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BigCat said:
Porsche's way of incrementally upgrading from a gen 1 to gen 2 within a model, i.e. this is a 991.1 to 991.2 development not a 992, I think it is to be expected. If they hadn't changed to turbo charging I don't think a 991.2 C2S would be expected to blow away a 991.1 GTS. They don't make such huge leaps forward in performance from gen 1 to gen 2. I think if the car is on par with a gen 1 GTS then if this was still an NA car people might be saying that's about right. There's probably a power kit already developed to give a 991.2 GTS yet more still, in the usual way.
You're right, if the normal pattern was followed, the 991.2S would have had the GTS engine and a powerkit would have found another 20bhp later on. The story now is that it had reached the end of it's performance envelope (not sure if that is really true), the key is emissions and economy, that's why we've ended up with the turbo solution.
I've now read some reviews in the mags, and the Top Gear article was spot on IMO with a vague sense of disappointment with the engine, and the latest EVO has a similar conclusion, very much accomplished and does the job superbly, but not the thrill of the old engine. I'll try and fix up a longer term test later next year.
I've now read some reviews in the mags, and the Top Gear article was spot on IMO with a vague sense of disappointment with the engine, and the latest EVO has a similar conclusion, very much accomplished and does the job superbly, but not the thrill of the old engine. I'll try and fix up a longer term test later next year.
Had my test drive in a Gen II 2S last week and was quite impressed. Is it fair to compare to a GTS? Surely we should be comparing to a Gen 1 S which is what I'm currently driving. Anyway, I liked the new one quite a lot. The handling was superb. I was looking for the turbo lag but if it was there it was barely discernible in my opinion. As mentioned by many of you, the slightly quieter exhaust note, even with Sport mode on was slightly disappointing but that would be my only gripe really. I was told if I order now I'll get it in April. Seriously considering it. I'll decide in the next couple of weeks!
Lancerlot said:....
Lack of a loud exhaust note seems to be the focus here , but of course you are comparing apples with pairs, normally aspirated as opposed to turbo, which as we all know, is quieter and less intrusive, but nevertheless provides considerable extra bang per buck. Personally, I can do without the rorty exhaust, having been subjected to them for most of my adult life, so I'm glad of a quiet life nowadays. It also avoids undue attention too at critical times when maybe, you least require it! []
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Regards,
Clive.
Exhausts will be getting quieter due to the noise regulations 540/2014 which come into effect with vehicles manufactured from July 1, 2016 and which requires reductions in noise in stages through 2026 from 74db to 68db (log scale), and of course it is illegal to modify the exhaust system of a vehicle to make it noisier than the level recorded for that model at type approval....
ralphmusic said:
Not sure that's strictly correct is it, Ralph? Manufacturers need to comply with type approval and vehcile regulations for their rally cars, but I'm certain the exhausts are far noisier than the road car equivalent; also no noise test is involved for the current UK MOT.
Regards,
Clive.
I have just started driving again 6 weeks after a serious operation on my right shoulder.
Tomorrow I will be collecting a 991.2 Carrera S for a day of testing and photographing. The plan is to get used to driving my 50th Anniversary for an hour before picking up the Carrera s from Porsche Centre Wilmslow - I haven't driven it since 12 November.
The outing will be a family affair with my wife following in the Anniversary and my son Seb riding shotgun with me. He was offered co-driver but unfortunately he is only 24.75 years old and you have to be 25. He is already a Porsche owner with a gen1 Cayman S which we tracked at Anglesey in 2015.
I am hoping to carry out a fair comparison between the 2 generations. (although my 50th has the 30bhp powerpack, sports exhaust and is basically a 2GTS) probably heading into the Pennines for some good roads and nice scenery for photos.
Interesting to hear comments about the sound of the sports exhaust, the staff at Wilmslow thought it was better than the gen1 after their training sessions at Silverstone.
I was always a fan of 4wd having a 964 and 993 Turbo but after several Silverstone experiences and track days I think the 2wd is more usable.
Happy New Year
Tomorrow I will be collecting a 991.2 Carrera S for a day of testing and photographing. The plan is to get used to driving my 50th Anniversary for an hour before picking up the Carrera s from Porsche Centre Wilmslow - I haven't driven it since 12 November.
The outing will be a family affair with my wife following in the Anniversary and my son Seb riding shotgun with me. He was offered co-driver but unfortunately he is only 24.75 years old and you have to be 25. He is already a Porsche owner with a gen1 Cayman S which we tracked at Anglesey in 2015.
I am hoping to carry out a fair comparison between the 2 generations. (although my 50th has the 30bhp powerpack, sports exhaust and is basically a 2GTS) probably heading into the Pennines for some good roads and nice scenery for photos.
Interesting to hear comments about the sound of the sports exhaust, the staff at Wilmslow thought it was better than the gen1 after their training sessions at Silverstone.
I was always a fan of 4wd having a 964 and 993 Turbo but after several Silverstone experiences and track days I think the 2wd is more usable.
Happy New Year
As others will attest Porsche turbo's take some miles and at least one good service before you get full volume - comparing a car with a couple of hundred miles to that with several thousand would not be fair. My 997 Turbo S got to tis best at approx. 30k miles, with the sports mode on I wouldn't have wanted anything louder in the car.
8k miles and an oil change later the 991TTS is loosening up nicely.................
8k miles and an oil change later the 991TTS is loosening up nicely.................
Porsche Centre Wilmslow lent me 991.2 Carrera S on Sunday and I did a comparison with my 991 50 anniversary.
It rained all day so didn't get out of normal mode but I really enjoyed the different feel to the car. With the smaller turbo engine and revised gear ratios it is really responsive and drives more like a quick hatchback. Very smooth in traffic and an absolute joy to drive.
Yesterday I drove it again on dry roads and the performance is there immediately and throughout the rev range. Slightly disappointed with the sound of the sports exhaust on Sunday and certainly not as deep as the 991.1 but once in sports mode it does make some very pleasant noises.
Porsche have done a good job making it a more usable car for day to day with impressive performance when needed. Not ready to change the 50th yet but a 991.2 cabriolet would be the ideal choice to replace my wife's 997 GTS cab next year. The sports exhaust on the 997 cab is poor so I,m sure a 991.2 would be a big improvement.
Just arrived in Wilmslow is the first Carrera 4S Targa in Graphite Blue - absolutely stunning!
It rained all day so didn't get out of normal mode but I really enjoyed the different feel to the car. With the smaller turbo engine and revised gear ratios it is really responsive and drives more like a quick hatchback. Very smooth in traffic and an absolute joy to drive.
Yesterday I drove it again on dry roads and the performance is there immediately and throughout the rev range. Slightly disappointed with the sound of the sports exhaust on Sunday and certainly not as deep as the 991.1 but once in sports mode it does make some very pleasant noises.
Porsche have done a good job making it a more usable car for day to day with impressive performance when needed. Not ready to change the 50th yet but a 991.2 cabriolet would be the ideal choice to replace my wife's 997 GTS cab next year. The sports exhaust on the 997 cab is poor so I,m sure a 991.2 would be a big improvement.
Just arrived in Wilmslow is the first Carrera 4S Targa in Graphite Blue - absolutely stunning!
Hey guys so I drove the gen 2 carrera s at Hatfield last week and was impressed.
I have a dilema as i want a GTS and have found a lovely gen 1 GTS and am about to pull the trigger until I find out that the gen 2 GTS is coming out for announcement this month !
Do I wait and order a new gen 2 whixh is obviously going to be turbo charged or stick with the gen 1 ?
I have a dilema as i want a GTS and have found a lovely gen 1 GTS and am about to pull the trigger until I find out that the gen 2 GTS is coming out for announcement this month !
Do I wait and order a new gen 2 whixh is obviously going to be turbo charged or stick with the gen 1 ?
For me no competition the NA GTS is a truly special car with a great package including a rather rude soundtrack.
Right choice I have no doubt ??????????
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