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991R Announced

£140K and you've got to waggle the stick around yourself! [:eek:]
0 - 62mph in 3.5secs - positively pedestrian! [:(]
No aircon? Not likely! [8D]
Regards,
Clive.
 
It'll be another collectors edition...

So much on the market for that price if you wanted to drive it.
 
Roughly one per dealership in the UK, part of the deal with 918 buyers to get one, so based on that, pretty much nothing available even for serial buyers of the brand. Would be fun to have though, without the stripes a bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing.
 
Apparently the new 911 that every 'enthusiast' would want - but no 'enthusiast' will get [8|]

Stop worrying about the latest 'must have' obsession, stick with the older air-cooled stuff - far more invigorating, and at least you can use it.

 
Well said everyone above. Looks like Porsche have written another cheque out to its VIP customers. Guess that'll be another 911 for the "investors" most of which will never see the open road. These limited edition versions just end up alienating the very people (me for one) that Porsche should be targeting.
 
Was in my local OPC today with a tyre problem on the Cayenne. (Yipee its insured!!) They confirmed they are getting just one 911R and have many angry customers. I wonder if Porsche ever weighs up the positive marketing they get from such a launch against the negative where they upset so many? Why put a car we cant buy on the configurator? They keep doing that so presumably they feel the GT cars (which we cant buy) and the specials such as the R generate sufficient positive publicity to sell the everyday models which we can buy
 
What a waste of money when the new Turbo S is available! About as useful as a chocolate teapot. Surely no serious driver is interested in this pimpmobile except speculators who sell to other speculators.

Cheers
 
bobfair said:
Was in my local OPC today .....They confirmed they are getting just one 911R and have many angry customers.


So, assuming all OPCs are in the same predicament - how do they decide who gets the car?
 
oliver said:
bobfair said:
Was in my local OPC today .....They confirmed they are getting just one 911R and have many angry customers.


So, assuming all OPCs are in the same predicament - how do they decide who gets the car?


They probably use the same list of speculators that bought the GT3 RS.
I have no desire to own a GT3 RS or an R (would prefer the Turbo S) but it is unfair that this continued practice denies the true enthusiasts the opportunity to own one of these cars unless they are prepared to pay double list price. Currently 6 for sale at the OPCs all around £280K and 2 of them have already had 2 owners one has just 582 and the other 1300 miles.
If the uk allocation is so small why not hold a lottery rather like was done with the Club Sport Coupe, succesful winner still has to pay and/or stop the practice of dealers accepting LOIs and have the prospective customers queue up outside the OPCs on launch day the same way Apple does with its iPhone. ??

The only winners here are speculator, OPCs and Porsche GB. ??


 
There are limited edition models that are ultra exclusive and there are enhanced models introduced along they way such as the GTS.
But with the R I don't get it. Why make a car that's 'only' a refreshing blend of existing models so expensive and so exclusive? But a limited edition car with a manual gearbox will find homes so it doesn't matter what I think.

So it's £5.5K more than a GT3 RS
It's 50Kg lighter (but some of that can be attributed to the manual vs PDK and the rest to items you might add back in, such as infotainment [the original 911R was manual because that was the best transmission at that time for the race car, not because it saved weight]).
Has the same 500hp but its slower than the GT3 RS

It's set up is based on the GT3 so it's not like a 500hp NA alternative to the turbo to offer comfortable ballistic cruising, because it's supposed to be hardcore. But it will be less exhilarating than the RS.

So who is this car for? The combination of red stripes over the top, black stripes along the side topped off with yellow calipers isn't helping either lol.
The GTS is a perfect blend, sitting below the GT3, losing the hardcore and being as fast as you realistically need. But this so called hardcore R model I don't know whether buyers of said car will want to get its tyres ruffled at the track whilst getting shown what a proper track car can do in the RS version - but then on the street the red, black and yellow details wont win any style points at the best venues for afternoon tea.

I like the way they describe features of the car as if they newly developed when they are just ported over from existing cars. Like saying it's 44mm wider than the Carrera. But that's nothing new - there's many cars using that wide body, right down to the Carrera 4. The GT3 RS & turbo use an even wider body than the wide body, to translate that level of performance. It's lightweight body panels and interior bits are borrowed from other cars. Therefore I don't get the price point.

From the website:

Lightweight construction:
Heritage brings obligations.
Lightweight construction is a Porsche tradition. The new 911 R has also gone on a diet. And a serious one. The bonnet and wings of the new 911 R are made from carbon fibre-reinforced plastic, the roof from magnesium, and the rear side windows from polycarbonate. Rear seating area? Omitted. And the manual transmission – instead of an automatic one – pushes the vehicle weight further downwards. Same principle in the interior: Less is more. The climate control and infotainment system have been dispensed with – but are available at no extra charge upon request. Lightweight door panels with door opener loops and reduced insulating elements also contribute to the lightweight design. A particularly lightweight lithium ion battery is also available as an option. The effect: Less weight, more dynamic response, more driving pleasure. And a vehicle gross weight of only 1,370 kg.

Driving dynamics:
High culture, lowered.
The chassis of the new 911 R is based on the 911 GT3 and provides extremely sporty day-to-day driving. The tuning is extremely direct and the vehicle lies as low as the 911 GT3. All the chassis control systems have been adapted to the manual transmission.
 
Is it sold out?

I believe that Porsche will build only 991 cars and that each OPC in the UK will only get 1.

Anyone know any OPC which has an allocation I could have?
 
I think it is a real shame that there is such a limited run of this model. I understand everything that has been said about people preferring a Turbo S for the same sort of money but for me, being able to have a manual gearbox with a wonderful 500bhp naturally aspirated engine makes it very desirable.

All pretty academic if you can't get one!
 
I think a Turbo S would be the antithesis of a 911'R'.

The 911'R' has been conceived to embrace everything that's best about the traditional '911' character. The perfect enthusiast's 911 - a purist's car with real driver engagement, welcomed by all. Well done Porsche........

Until the penny drops, and it's realised that very few, if any, enthusiasts will ever be able to get one. The allocations will ensure that they only go to a select favoured few, and the re-values will put them out of reach and limit their actual usage - 'trophy' cars or 'investment' stock.

Where's the sense and fairness in that?


 
I'm sure the 911R will be a great drive with that RS engine - my dealer has 2 coming apparently going to the " chosen few!" but I find I need to recalibrate on prices every time I visit an OPC over the year ;
dropped into a centre yesterday - GT4 at £105k, 997 GT3 gen2 at £139k and 997 GT3 RS at £199k - it's all gone a bit mad IMO
tony
 
964RS said:
Is it sold out?

I believe that Porsche will build only 991 cars and that each OPC in the UK will only get 1.

Anyone know any OPC which has an allocation I could have?


Are you serious?? Sold out to the favoured few before the car was announced.
 
Its the same in a parallel universe for the megga rich who want the new Bugatti Chiron - £2.6m 1500HP -1500 torques from 2000 revs limited to 270 mph but apparently capable of more as new world speed record will shortly show and the only Lmp1 standard carbon tub on the road
--all 500 sold I'm afraid !
 
oliver said:
I think a Turbo S would be the antithesis of a 911'R'.

The 911'R' has been conceived to embrace everything that's best about the traditional '911' character. The perfect enthusiast's 911 - a purist's car with real driver engagement, welcomed by all. Well done Porsche........

Until the penny drops, and it's realised that very few, if any, enthusiasts will ever be able to get one. The allocations will ensure that they only go to a select favoured few, and the re-values will put them out of reach and limit their actual usage - 'trophy' cars or 'investment' stock.

Where's the sense and fairness in that?


I'm sure it will be great to drive, as are all 991's, but what makes it an enthusiast's 911 over any other. Is it just the manual transmission? In every other way it uses all the modern technology found on other 991's such as rear wheel steer, so is it just the transmission that transforms a car from being not for the enthusiast and purist, to becoming said enthusiast's car.

I do get the whole manual transmission involvement thing, but I think Porsche marketing does well to exploit that die hard market, offering the manual transmission as something exclusive whilst for the most part the company sees the PDK as its way forward. I respect anyone who prefers manual transmission, but I don't but into the exclusivity that is marketed around it. I think a GT3 with the big wing removed for a more subtle silhouette and the engine upgrade, is actually a highly desirable package. But without any elements exclusive to the model, whether that be bodywork-wise (such as with the 981 Spyder) or mechanically, then it really is only the manual transmission exclusivity that makes this car whilst in all other ways its about what's been removed from a GT3 or GT3 RS.

The highly desirable 997 Sport Classic wasn't about being the fastest 997 but it had a blend of unique revisions to the roof and at the rear, combined with new classic rims and classic interior (and the not so exclusive X.51 power upgrade). But that type of approach (I do like the brown checked cloth interior in the R) combined with the high performance angle, hasn't worked for me with the R as i'm not sure what echelon of driver appeal its trying to claim above the others.
 
...stop worrying about the latest 'must have' obsession, stick with the older air-cooled stuff - far more invigorating, and at least you can use it... no serious driver is interested... speculators who sell to other speculators.


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