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993 rs SCofM

RIVIERAM002

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see SCofM are due in a LHD 993 rs in black, ad says clubsport spec? would that be an rs carpet modified or a factory clubsport,
any info? its up at £81,995 so must be something tasty I presume.
 
That would be a pucker clubsport then John, sad to see it go, good luck with the sale, sure JH will get top money for you.
 

ORIGINAL: harry

I'm going to have to up my insurance significantly this year!

Harry
had an agreed valuation of 75k last year, mannings required 4 photographs and an independant valuation from the correct body,
steve kevlin pcgb or Tom Schmitz or Paul McLean,
 
ORIGINAL: RIVIERAM002

That would be a pucker clubsport then John, sad to see it go, good luck with the sale, sure JH will get top money for you.

Mate, it's a standard RS converted to CS spec by Porsche some years ago. I spent 13K on the engine rebuild last year (now back to standard spec). A good buy for someone I reckon.
 
Hi Johnny
Best of luck with the sale..... if anyone is getting good stock (and good sales!!) in RS's at the minute, its JWB. Have you anything specific in mind with regard to replacement?.

 
Dont go the GT3 route Johnny. As a track day proposition they are too expensive to run. it's cheaper to run a 993 on slicks than run a Gt3 on cups. On slicks a well driven 993 will be a match for a GT3 on anywhere but the largest circuits.

Steve R
 
Steve, I recall,,probably 18 months ago now, you mentioned a development program with Parr of a 993 track car, are you findings mentioned above related to that?
Will you be campaigning a 993 at all this season or still in the GT3/Cups?
 
Yep, the car is an ex uk carrera cup car. I'm hoping to be out in it in May. I'm running slicks or full wets depending on the conditions. If I'm right, i will prove that pound for pound its a lot cheaper to run a RS spec 993 on slicks than a GT3 on cups. I know what times to expect from the car but havn't actually tested yet. To do a day properly in the GT3RS it costs circa £1000, the majority of the budget is tyres. I would get no more than 3 days out of a set of cups. It's a very fast car but relatively heavy so obviously speed comes at some consumable cost. Having driven both the 996 and 997 cups, i will be interested to compare the 993. With abs I would think that it will need a similar driving technique to the 996. Interesting excersise, I'll keep you updated. For the sheer fun of it, I may enter a few open round in it and make a point of driving the car to and from the circuit.
 
ORIGINAL: Steve Rance

Yep, the car is an ex uk carrera cup car. I'm hoping to be out in it in May. I'm running slicks or full wets depending on the conditions. If I'm right, i will prove that pound for pound its a lot cheaper to run a RS spec 993 on slicks than a GT3 on cups. I know what times to expect from the car but havn't actually tested yet. To do a day properly in the GT3RS it costs circa £1000, the majority of the budget is tyres. I would get no more than 3 days out of a set of cups. It's a very fast car but relatively heavy so obviously speed comes at some consumable cost. Having driven both the 996 and 997 cups, i will be interested to compare the 993. With abs I would think that it will need a similar driving technique to the 996. Interesting excersise, I'll keep you updated. For the sheer fun of it, I may enter a few open round in it and make a point of driving the car to and from the circuit.

Really interesting Steve - keep us posted!
 
Excellent news Steve, the idea of driving to and from the circuit is what club racing should be about...best of luck, looking forward to seeing how things progress.
 
Yep, I love that idea too. Having done a lot of racng in water cooled cup cars I've become a little worn down by their running costs. They are spectacularly fast cars - at many circuits we are quicker than the front running British Gt cars - but they are full on gt race cars and everything is 'lifed' from engine hours to bearings. although as a gt engine the GT3 lump is very cost effective, it still needs a rebuild at 50 hours and the sequential gearbox at least once a season. I know of some carrera cup drivers that need 2 gearbox rebuilds a year at 10k plus a pop. A set of michelin slicks are good fpr an hour's running at full pace and cost £1100 a set so you start to get the idea. A small budget for carrera cup is the thick end of 120k, many are spending 150-200k. These cars are brutal to drive and statipherically expensive to run. What I love about the 993 is how close the cup version of the car was to the RS clubsport. There is very little difference between the cars and the engines and drive train's are nowhere near as stressed as the new generation of cars. This makes them so much cheaper to run and as a result a viable track tool. what I like more than anything else about the car is that you can enjoy the performance on the road as well as the track without the need to be at the end of the performance envelope. They are just lovely to drive at any speed. The problem is that RS and RSR's are becomming so valuable in thier own right that there is an argument that they are no longer track viable. My car is a possible altenative solution to a driver who wants the tactile nature of the 993 on the road yet decent track performance without risking an RS on the circuit. I'm not sure how viable the excercise is to be honest. My car has a 3.8 motorsport barrell and piston conversion, RS crank, shrick cams, solid lifters, pro track dampers, super cup solid top mounts and springs, solid engine and subframe mounts, plastic side glass with sliders, recaro race seats, 6 point matter cage, harnesses, motorsport abs unit, removeable wheel and electric power steering. To build a car to that spec would cost a lot of money but it is on the extreme end of the performance window. We decided to leave the enigine at 300 bhp as firstly BHP gains are very expensive but more importantly it would greatly increase the tyre wear rate which kind of works against the whole point of the excersise. Anyway, as i said it will be interesting to see how it pans out, i'm looking forward to it.
 
Steve, remember when you drove me round the Brands GP in my Mint Green 64' N-GT just taking it back one more notch ....... you spanked the whole field ..... with an iffy clutch/gearbox at the time .... never laughed so much ... jumping over the corners two wheels on the grass ....[:D]
 
Steve, your car sounds spot on, RS spec without the cache and price hike associated with those 2 letters!

I do agree on the values, I tend not track my CS as often as I used to now, due to this, which is a shame..

I am sure you will have a great time developing the car, I have had quiet a few people surprised that my car only has 300bhp, that is with me driving...someone with your ability will be in a position to shock and indeed humble quite a few of the big guns, without doing too much harm to the wallet.

Brilliant! it would be great if you could keep us informed of any developments or things that you find make a significant to the car...cheers [:)]
 
ORIGINAL: johnny senna

ORIGINAL: RIVIERAM002

That would be a pucker clubsport then John, sad to see it go, good luck with the sale, sure JH will get top money for you.

Mate, it's a standard RS converted to CS spec by Porsche some years ago. I spent 13K on the engine rebuild last year (now back to standard spec). A good buy for someone I reckon.
this is the ex man lau rs then, was at ninemeister today, the car sounds 'as new', with many £££££ spent.
 

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