993 turbo advice please

[Paulbarr73]

Just the fact that he hasn't mentioned it and made last minute excuses for me not to see it after mention getting a report done, seem enough tolert him keep it, they only do 13 mpg after all!!
also, what is it with hpi checks and valuations work, a cat d turbo worth just over 20k, and so is a c2s with no bads? but it's up for 28k which I thought was ok?
how strange
oh well, they never said finding a 993 wasn't going to be eventful!

 

[dommorton]

Guide valuations on cars like these are wildly inaccurate and cannot be used as any sort of benchmark. HPI should know better than to provide them on a car this age but hey ho.

Good lowish miles Carrera S' can be had for low 30's in the private market. But beware most will still need little jobs to make perfect. From a dealer with all the issues addressed you're looking at mid to high 30's for one.

If you're happy to look at higher mileage cars (clearly you are) then you could get a usable higher miler on the private market for high 20's.

Turbo cars are usually more than 35k unless seriously tired. I wouldn't consider one unless you have a decent contingency to cover potential bills.

 

[DivineE]

Blimey! Just read this thread through and it really is a minefield out there. That's the second turbo I've had advice against and it sounds like there's a third to avoid mentioned early on. How has this come about with such a well engineered (and due to its lack of depreciation) usually well maintained model?!

 

[Paulbarr73]

Funny thing happened today regarding the hpi on that turbo. The hpi company rang me up and said that the car may NOT have been written off, just a numberplate related to it. I'll need to get the chassis number to confirm the status of the vehicle. They (hpi) were meant to call me back regarding the valuation put on the 2S, but I'm still waiting!!!
Any way, my car is sold and gone and paid for now, so I'm seriously on the hunt!

Hi, DivineE,
in response to you saying about so many turbo's being a bit 'sketchy' I think they may have got to an age where they can be bought, but maintaining them is a little expensive. Also 400ish bhp is a lot to handle in a little car, I imagine it not that difficult to find one's own driving ability overtaken by the excitement of all thet lovely power!

I think I was excited by the fact that I thought I would be able to get a turbo, but after thinking about it realised that I wouldn't be able to use it as much as I would want, 13-18mpg is pretty scary no matter what anyone says. I'd rather get a better quality C2 or C2S and enjoy the nimbleness with much more comfortable running costs rather than the brute horsepower and essential contigency plan required for a turbo.
So I'm still looking, but have decided I am very definite about what I want:
2WD
Marble leather
Working a/c
Bilsteins
M030
RSRs (does anyone know if these come removeable baffles like on motorbike exhausts?)
Great history
HIDs would be nice
Colour, hmmm tricky that one, artic, polar (haven't seen this one, cany pics anyone?) maybe something a little racey, or am I risking resale with RS blue, or one of the yellows, or even orange? you see I'm a bit open on colour!!!

I'm sure there's more, but off the top of my head that's not a bad start I don't think.

 

[dommorton]

RSR's are just modded standard cans. They're cut open and the sound deadening is largely removed, then an internal pipe is cut short. They're then welded shut again.

 

[dparslow]

ORIGINAL: Paulbarr73

Also 400ish bhp is a lot to handle in a little car, I imagine it not that difficult to find one's own driving ability overtaken by the excitement of all thet lovely power!

I think I was excited by the fact that I thought I would be able to get a turbo, but after thinking about it realised that I wouldn't be able to use it as much as I would want, 13-18mpg is pretty scary no matter what anyone says. I'd rather get a better quality C2 or C2S and enjoy the nimbleness with much more comfortable running costs rather than the brute horsepower and essential contigency plan required for a turbo.

You wouldn`t want to use all the power all the time as it would empty your wallet almost as fast as a divorce! Driving "normally" most of the time and then having short and regular "fixes" of the ballistic acceleration keeps the running costs very reasonable. Fuel consumption of 13 - 18 mpg is hard driving or very short cold running journeys, 25 - 27 is generally what I achieve on the long journeys.

I have found my running costs for the 993tt over the past 5yrs have been considerably less than a 993C2 I owned for only 3yrs. Neither car is used or was used on a daily basis as I think the costs would have escalated in both cases.

 

[Paulbarr73]

ORIGINAL: dparslow



I have found my running costs for the 993tt over the past 5yrs have been considerably less than a 993C2 I owned for only 3yrs. Neither car is used or was used on a daily basis as I think the costs would have escalated in both cases.

The thing is I will be using my 993 for a daily drive, and I appreciate the fuel economy will be better on the commute as I wouldn't be caining it. But my budget allows for a top C2, a cracking C2S or a lower than average (IMHO) turbo, a budget of 30k, could be buying a whole load of grief in a turbo.

 

[turboww]

Run for the hills!

 

[turboww]

ORIGINAL: dparslow

ORIGINAL: Paulbarr73

You wouldn`t want to use all the power all the time as it would empty your wallet almost as fast as a divorce! Driving "normally" most of the time and then having short and regular "fixes" of the ballistic acceleration keeps the running costs very reasonable. Fuel consumption of 13 - 18 mpg is hard driving or very short cold running journeys, 25 - 27 is generally what I achieve on the long journeys.

I have found my running costs for the 993tt over the past 5yrs have been considerably less than a 993C2 I owned for only 3yrs. Neither car is used or was used on a daily basis as I think the costs would have escalated in both cases.

LOL I think if you used all the power all the time you wouldn't be worried about the wallet, it would be the licence.....

 

[turboww]

ORIGINAL: Paulbarr73

Funny thing happened today regarding the hpi on that turbo. The hpi company rang me up and said that the car may NOT have been written off, just a numberplate related to it. I'll need to get the chassis number to confirm the status of the vehicle. They (hpi) were meant to call me back regarding the valuation put on the 2S, but I'm still waiting!!!
Any way, my car is sold and gone and paid for now, so I'm seriously on the hunt!

Hi, DivineE,
in response to you saying about so many turbo's being a bit 'sketchy' I think they may have got to an age where they can be bought, but maintaining them is a little expensive. Also 400ish bhp is a lot to handle in a little car, I imagine it not that difficult to find one's own driving ability overtaken by the excitement of all thet lovely power!

I think I was excited by the fact that I thought I would be able to get a turbo, but after thinking about it realised that I wouldn't be able to use it as much as I would want, 13-18mpg is pretty scary no matter what anyone says. I'd rather get a better quality C2 or C2S and enjoy the nimbleness with much more comfortable running costs rather than the brute horsepower and essential contigency plan required for a turbo.
So I'm still looking, but have decided I am very definite about what I want:
2WD
Marble leather
Working a/c
Bilsteins
M030
RSRs (does anyone know if these come removeable baffles like on motorbike exhausts?)
Great history
HIDs would be nice
Colour, hmmm tricky that one, artic, polar (haven't seen this one, cany pics anyone?) maybe something a little racey, or am I risking resale with RS blue, or one of the yellows, or even orange? you see I'm a bit open on colour!!!

I'm sure there's more, but off the top of my head that's not a bad start I don't think.

Hi Paul, Hopefully better resolutions of polar:

I prefer Polar (Surprise, surprise) as it has more of a blue hue than Artic.

BTW - I looked at a couple with marble leather and thought they didn't really work, but your choice....

Cheers.

M.

 

[Paulbarr73]

Thanks for the links to the polar 993, your car? very nice.
I know what you mean about the light car and light interior maybe not working, but I've just got rid or a silver / black interior beemer, and the marble interior looks gorgeous, and I lke silver cars, but maybe a darker colour is needed, I'll have to see it in the flesh I think.

 

[turboww]

Both mine, the turbo 2 before it's demise and it's replacement going through the ford chicane at Le Mans this year.

There are a few silver ones around with differing shades of blue leather - Metropole is one and Provence is another I've seen just recently.

 

[turboww]

ORIGINAL: DivineE

Blimey! Just read this thread through and it really is a minefield out there. That's the second turbo I've had advice against and it sounds like there's a third to avoid mentioned early on. How has this come about with such a well engineered (and due to its lack of depreciation) usually well maintained model?!

It is superbly engineered, and VERY fast. The ones to be wary of are the ones that have visited the scenery and pronounced uneconomical to repair. ie Cat D - Someone has then repaired it, presumably on a budget to make it economical.

The only other thing is that when things wear out (or break) they will be expensive. This is why a service history is vital so that you can see what has been done and when. eg Are you likely to need a major service and clutch in the next 500 miles? £10k to you sir.....

 

[Gordon Attar]

The only other thing is that when things wear out (or break) they will be expensive. This is why a service history is vital so that you can see what has been done and when. eg Are you likely to need a major service and clutch in the next 500 miles? £10k to you sir.....

I would expect this to be under £2000 (Northway rates)

 

[turboww]

ORIGINAL: Gordon Attar

The only other thing is that when things wear out (or break) they will be expensive. This is why a service history is vital so that you can see what has been done and when. eg Are you likely to need a major service and clutch in the next 500 miles? £10k to you sir.....

I would expect this to be under £2000 (Northway rates)

Being slightly flippant and with OPC rates....

 

[guyvert1]

I've been running my Turbo daily since I've had it (2months), avg around 22mpg on the motorway, then 18 and under for other driving. For the minute difference in mpg against the huge difference in power etc its a worthy expense. Plus you can a little more easily just in case you need more power that you won't use []