993 widebody advise sort

[2QIC2C]

Hi all,

Originally i was after a nice 964 but have now set my mind on a widebody 993.

I`ve been looking at cars for a good few months now and viewed a couple in person. To be honest I`m a bit confused about the pricing and its hard to know how much mileage should play in my decision making process.

I`ve worked out that the C4s has the larger brakes to the C2S (CS) but is there anything else majorly different between the two and all factors the same is the C4s worth more than a C2s? Some adds suggest they are and others suggest the 2S is rarer and therfore worth more.

While i`m not buying the car as an investment it would be nice to know I`m paying the right price. Does anyone know of any good Widebody cars for sale at the moment? There are a couple on pistonheads for under £30k which at face value look good.

I think the more I look at various adds the more confused I become especially when the listed price and selling price could be a few grand different.

Any advise or car suggestions would be much appreciated. Budget is £30k but anything I can get for less than that is a bonus to give me some money to tuck away contingencies.

Thanks

 

[nickgardner]

2S and 4S are broadly same except 4S is 4 wheel drive. both have wide body, "big red" brakes and turbo look wheels (look same as turbo but heavier as not hollow spoke) 2 is visually identical apart from badges but has split louvres on rear engine cover/wing. either are holding values well and dealers are now asking approaching 40 K for good ones. I've had mine for 10 years and its still a fine car. Not sure of numbers but my impression is there are fewer 2S around than 4S though neither that common.

 

[2QIC2C]

Thanks Nick, I could be wrong but thought the Big Reds (the ones with the big arrow identifying they are big reds) have only been on the C4S cars. The 2 S cars haven`t had the arrows on them and they have been black in colour.

 

[jdpef356]

Black is the correct colour as per you post.

Take a look at Tech part of 993 Forum.

Also look at the FAQ in the 993 Forum - this covers numerous bits and bobs including purchase advice and production numbers.

 

[prfarrar]

To all intents and purposes, the 993 Carrera S or C2S as it's often called is a 'standard' Carrera 2, with the wider Turbo body. The mechanical underpinnings, including the brakes are all standard C2. It has slightly lowered suspension and that's about it mechanically. They came with 17-inch Cup 2 wheels as standard, but many are upgraded to the Turbo 'Hollow Spoke' alloys, NOT the Turbo 'look' , solid and heavier type fitted as standard to the C4S. The 2S also originally came with amber indicator lenses, whereas the C4S and Turbo have the clear Front and Side and red at the Rear. The unique 'split and colour coded' rear spoiler has already been mentioned. The interior was, again, pretty much 'standard C2, but with a few 'gunmetal' trim highlights (gear lever, handbrake, and entry kick strips, plus Carrera S logo in speedo). There were a total of 346 registered in the UK. 251 manuals and 95 tiptronics.

 

[jdpef356]

Just been looking at P.Heads http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3293190.htm

Found the following has been listed - so find another six grand and you have a bargain.

24K miles nice colour and £36K


Just one problem if I was looking at this - its Tiptronic - however if tips floats your boat your in, got to be worth a look[8|]

 

[2QIC2C]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356



Just been looking at P.Heads http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3293190.htm

Found the following has been listed - so find another six grand and you have a bargain.

24K miles nice colour and £36K


Just one problem if I was looking at this - its Tiptronic - however if tips floats your boat your in, got to be worth a look[8|]

Just seen that add and got all excited and was about to call and then read the last line.. TIP..... It has to be a manual for me as changing the gears is half the fun.

Any comments on either of these?
Haven`t view or spoken to the owners yet

Had replacement engine which I guess is a Good thing..
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3254728.htm

Speedo reads a lot less than the above but dont know how important that is.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3254365.htm

 

[jdpef356]

My choice would be car two if only for the colour - never heard of 993 blowing engine before - engine may be new 58K approx but rest of car has done double that![:-]

Found one on autotrader http://www.autotrader.co.uk/dealer/140370/stock/used/cars/postcode/
Strange sort of add but could well be worth giving the dealer a call.


Treat the search as the first part of ownership - it should be fun and just like when you meet a girl you really fancy the hairs on your neck will stand up when you see the right car[8D]

However, as with the girl you would have to take her home to mum to get approval before you tie the knot - the same applies with a 993.

A PPI is not a maybe, its essential! - Let the experts (Peter Morgan) give her the once over and that should ensure that your relationship gets off to a good start[]

Good luck with the search.

 

[clyde]

Just out of curiosity, why are you ignoring the more agile, faster and keenly priced car (C2/C4) in favour of the lard @rsed, slower, less fuel efficient and most of all over priced one? You could get a very tidy narrow body for £25k, leaving £5 for evantualities (not contingencies [] )

Alternatively, if you like the look of the turbo why not go for one?

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: clyde



Just out of curiosity, why are you ignoring the more agile, faster and keenly priced car (C2/C4) in favour of the lard @rsed, slower, less fuel efficient and most of all over priced one? You could get a very tidy narrow body for £25k, leaving £5 for evantualities (not contingencies [] )

Alternatively, if you like the look of the turbo why not go for one?

Clyde

Who would you rather get between the sheets? Twiggy or J lo?[]

Turbo - on a budget of Circa 30K

 

[2QIC2C]

ORIGINAL: clyde



Just out of curiosity, why are you ignoring the more agile, faster and keenly priced car (C2/C4) in favour of the lard @rsed, slower, less fuel efficient and most of all over priced one? You could get a very tidy narrow body for £25k, leaving £5 for evantualities (not contingencies [] )

Alternatively, if you like the look of the turbo why not go for one?

Thought about a NB but I do love the wider arse look. The dream would be a turbo (had the 1:18 model as a kid) but can`t really justify a further circa £15k at the purchase price stage to get a turbo. If you know of some good ones for mid £30k`s then I`m all ears.

 

[jdpef356]

No have never bought a car from a dealer.

A dealers second hand car is only someone else's second hand trade in. The dealer knows nothing at all about the history of the car other than a
service book and some invoices (which we can call read)

Buy private and look the guy in the eye - ask some straight questions - if you like the car have a ppi done - then ask for price reduction to get put items found right - or negotiate price reduction.

The biggest assets you have is you have the money and the time - don't rush - like I said - enjoy the search!

 

[Mark Elder]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356


Who would you rather get between the sheets? Twiggy or J lo?[]

Yes, we have had this debate on here before, John, and I'm still in bed with Twiggy[]

I find it fascinating how fashion changes (in 993s not girls). When I was hunting for my 993 (6 years ago) the narrow vs wide debate never seemed to come up, and the price differential was much smaller. For me I love the split engine cover on the 2S. The extra equipment on the 4S, but without the extra turbo power, seems a bit of toys-for-toys sake. So if I was tempted by J Lo it would be the 2 wheel drive version!

Tony - there are so few good ones out there now, you probably won't want to worry if she is 2 or 4 by the time you find the right one. Like John says, enjoy the search - it really is a key part of the experience. Took me 18 months to find mine.

 

[clyde]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356

ORIGINAL: clyde



Just out of curiosity, why are you ignoring the more agile, faster and keenly priced car (C2/C4) in favour of the lard @rsed, slower, less fuel efficient and most of all over priced one? You could get a very tidy narrow body for £25k, leaving £5 for evantualities (not contingencies [] )

Alternatively, if you like the look of the turbo why not go for one?

Clyde

Who would you rather get between the sheets? Twiggy or J lo?[]

Is the choice not really between J Lo and Dawn French? []

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: clyde

ORIGINAL: jdpef356

ORIGINAL: clyde


Just out of curiosity, why are you ignoring the more agile, faster and keenly priced car (C2/C4) in favour of the lard @rsed, slower, less fuel efficient and most of all over priced one? You could get a very tidy narrow body for £25k, leaving £5 for evantualities (not contingencies [] )

Alternatively, if you like the look of the turbo why not go for one?

Clyde

Who would you rather get between the sheets? Twiggy or J lo?[]

Is the choice not really between J Lo and Dawn French? []

Clyde

Your Widebody 993 only becomes a Dawn French if someone runs you up the backside.[&o] I love em all - just some more than others[][]

 

[prfarrar]

I had a detailed look at the 'blown engine car' around 15 months ago when it was up for sale at around £23,500, can't remember exactly how much. The car is in very good overall condition, just needing a bit of tidying around the edges, and the maintenance history is impressive. It was in original condition with no notable 'bling'. It may have had a sports exhaust, but I can't be precise. There was the all-important invoice for the replacement engine (and other ancillary work at the same time). The car also drove extremely well - and I know my 993s. I recall offering £21K, but that was not accepted. It would have been definitely worth a punt at that sort of price (15 months ago). It all depends on your attitude to risk, but I have owned several 100K plus Porsches without any real difficulties - provided you know what you're buying. But as a previous poster said, it is otherwise a high mileage example and that does need to be considered in the round, although given the current market and scope for negotiation, I think the current asking price is 'reasonable'. It all depends how much has been done to the car in the most recent owners hands as I know it sold not long after I looked at it for the (then) asking price...!

 

[2QIC2C]

ORIGINAL: prfarrar

although given the current market and scope for negotiation, I think the current asking price is 'reasonable'. It all depends how much has been done to the car in the most recent owners hands as I know it sold not long after I looked at it for the (then) asking price...!

Thanks for the comments on that car Prfarrar. £23.5k sounds a pretty good price if it was able to be got for that.

With reference to your comment on the current market, are you saying there is room for negotiations or isn`t?

Generally I look at the cars priced around the £32-£32.5k mark and think an offer of £30k would be a reasonable offer. When buying previous cars i`ve always tried to get between 5-10% off the asking price as most people would expect to be negotiated down a little. Does this logic still apply in the Porsche world?

 

[davidcross]

Clyde IMO you wud be better off spending less on a NB 2 or 4 and taking it to Chris Franklin and having the suspension fully replaced so it handles beautifully again. After all those yrs on the same shocks it won't handle as it shud now. Also he will set the car 10mm above RS ride height so it also looks more 'squat'. This is the road i went down and havnt regretted it. I also sourced the proper bolster seats to replace the crappy originals and this makes a huge difference when your on the gas.
I replaced all the front lighting and got original cup alloys and p zeros . I'll only sell it for a turbo which is s bit crazy after all I've done!!

 

[prfarrar]

Prices of the 993 Carrera S have certainly held their own over the last 12 months, and even 'strengthened' a bit. When I viewed the car it had around 112,000 miles, and looking at the advert, it has had two services since, plus the set of tyres and no doubt other incidental expenditure. As I said previously, this is basically a very sound car and drove particularly well (last year when I drove it anyway)! So, I sense the current owner is merely trying to cover his costs over his 12 months or so of ownership. It really depends on what else has been done to the car. I'm afraid I can't remember specific 'tidying points', but I do recall being pleasantly surprised with the overall condition of the car when I viewed it last year. So, let us say the current owner is having a bit of a 'punt' at £26,500. I would have thought around £24,500 ought to secure the car, particularly as it's a Private Sale. At that price the present owner isn't making a 'loss' on what he paid for it, accepting annual running costs, which can average around £1,500 pa on cars of this age. But please remember, this is an almost 15 year old car we are discussing, so there will inevitably be things which 'need doing'. My original point was that on the face of it, most of the 'typical' 993 issues were either not present, or had previously been sorted, when I viewed the car last year. By the way, Zenith Blue with Classic Grey interior is a really good colour combination. It gets right up my nose when lots of 'experts' say it's got to be black-on-black, or maybe silver-on-black. I have owned Silver and Black Porsches, but would NEVER have a black interior - they look so gloomy....!

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: prfarrar

. It gets right up my nose when lots of 'experts' say it's got to be black-on-black, or maybe silver-on-black. I have owned Silver and Black Porsches, but would NEVER have a black interior - they look so gloomy....!

They made them in all different colours so you and I could have a choice - or preference choice.

Now your starting to get up peoples nose who have a silver or black car and prefer the black interior[&o]-----[][]