I reckon Maserati's are the rich man's Audi TT, all show. People that buy those cars can only be buying them because they apparently look good. Scratch beneath the facade and you have financial and mechanical nonsense!
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To add my 2p worth, and without wanting to turn this to an Audi forum I drive a tuned/lowered S4 Avant LHD as an everyday car. The S4 has been absolutely fine and it was the best value for money when I bought it new from Germany. in the last 5 years I did not have a single bill other than the yearly service. I would reccomend an Audi over any BMW or Jag, I used to have an Alpina B3 and an XK8, unreservedly. Only the latest of the Mercs could be compared to Audis, but at a higher premium.
But comparing a Porsche to an Audi, or any other car as a matter of fact, is like Cheese & Chalk.
Different cars fill different needs and they should be utilised as such without idolising them; this could lead to confusing cost and price with value and functionality.
But comparing a Porsche to an Audi, or any other car as a matter of fact, is like Cheese & Chalk.
Different cars fill different needs and they should be utilised as such without idolising them; this could lead to confusing cost and price with value and functionality.
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ORIGINAL: Rodney Naghar
I remember reading in PP a few months back about a guy who bought a 360 brand new, then after a few months he was so annoyed that the stereo wasn't working and that people kept staring at him, that he took a huge depreciation loss and bought a 911 instead.
This "article"in PP had me laughing in the aisle, guy kept complaining about ground clearance I recall along with a host of other things. My 360 had suspension geometry alterations that reduced the ride height and I suffer no likewise events.Just my tuppence worth on that subject.
Back to the thread , .....is buying the last of a particular model (996) , when presumable all the faults have been eradicated, more desirable than buying the first of a new model (997)..?
I`m on my second 996 now , the first being a gt3 , currently I have a C4S cab, in comparing the three previous 911`s I owned (1970-911E.....1975-930 3litre Turbo....and a 1989 Club Sport) apart from the noise the door makes when it shuts I rather prefer the 996, everything works the way you expect it to, the build quality is excellent , paint finish is the tops ( Lapis Blue) and it goes round corners like a limpet, stops on sixpence and is extremely rapid...............
[]I`ll close the door on the way out.....................
Hi Mikial,
you have to request your status be set to "member" and I have just done that for you - I check every non member post I see to see if they have registered their member number and if they have, set them to member status.
Sorry for the long explanation.
And yes, to a limited extent, non members can post
you have to request your status be set to "member" and I have just done that for you - I check every non member post I see to see if they have registered their member number and if they have, set them to member status.
Sorry for the long explanation.
And yes, to a limited extent, non members can post
mikial,
1. What makes you think the 997 is a new model? [] I think there's a lot of 996 in there[]
2. Read my sig []
1. What makes you think the 997 is a new model? [
] I think there's a lot of 996 in there[]2. Read my sig [
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Tell us about the 360 as well compared to the 996........[]
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360 first then, did a p/x at the OPC at Colchester, exchanged a one year old GT3 for a four year old Rosso 360 F1, that was Sept last.My initial delight became jaundiced when pushing on in theFerrari.Initial good grip on turn in became "uh oh whats happening here.....!" Having got used to the GT3 finaly biting at the front when you thought the hedgerow was getting too close, the 360 reversed the roles. Initial good turn in washed away leaving an understeering red sledge.I took the car to Scuderia Systems where they fitted a Tubi exhaust ( allowing me one Sunday morning in March this year to drown out the vicars speech while in mid sentance blessing the newly erected village sign in deepest Suffolk) and adjusted the suspension geometry, removing all traces of the dreaded u/steer. It now , although a tad aggresive, goes where I point it. The flappers are a delight to use when gearchanging and in sport mode at a given rev speed ( high) blip the throttle for you .......superb. I think thats enough about that, it`s a Porsche forum after and I`ve hi-jacked the thread ...........again ....!
Every Porsche I`ve owned I`ve thoroughly enjoyed and I wouldn`t criticise that which I know nothing about and never experienced, having never driven a 997 or a 993 (or a KN for that matter) I have no commment to make on those particular models.
The 996 I drive now is the best example of a Porsche I`ve driven for my needs, the 911E needed constant care and maintenance and still broke, the heater never worked but when it went it went well. The 930 was at the time I owned it among the worlds fastest cars ,in top speed and acceleration , ( I think that`s correct allthough I stand to be corrected) but the brakes were weak and it rusted, again the heater never worked. The Club Sport was an ex racer which I believe was raced by Robin Gray ( anyone remember him?) with some success especially at Spa. Full roll cage and a pair of full race harnesess avec race seats did it for me but it was unruley and naughty and got me into trouble ( as did the GT3) again the heater never worked.
Gone on long enough, excuse the spelling.
Every Porsche I`ve owned I`ve thoroughly enjoyed and I wouldn`t criticise that which I know nothing about and never experienced, having never driven a 997 or a 993 (or a KN for that matter) I have no commment to make on those particular models.
The 996 I drive now is the best example of a Porsche I`ve driven for my needs, the 911E needed constant care and maintenance and still broke, the heater never worked but when it went it went well. The 930 was at the time I owned it among the worlds fastest cars ,in top speed and acceleration , ( I think that`s correct allthough I stand to be corrected) but the brakes were weak and it rusted, again the heater never worked. The Club Sport was an ex racer which I believe was raced by Robin Gray ( anyone remember him?) with some success especially at Spa. Full roll cage and a pair of full race harnesess avec race seats did it for me but it was unruley and naughty and got me into trouble ( as did the GT3) again the heater never worked.
Gone on long enough, excuse the spelling.
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This is one of the best threads on the post for a while.
Some really good arguments made.
It seems both 911 & PW and GT Purely Porsche tend to define older models as in some way better than current production - I guess it's a way of somehow looking back on the halcyon days of Porsche when they were semi hand built.
To the magazine readers that bought those cars new, it relives that era.
And it perpetuates the myth, sustaining readership but ignoring the fact these manufacturing techniques almost took Porsche under in the early nineties.
So the older models need to be looked back on as hallowed machines, and the latest model (997, KN and soon the Cayman) heralded as a significant advance.Otherwise why bother to read the road test?
That leaves the 996 in the firing line which is tosh. My 996 turbo is the most reliable of the 4 Porsches I've owned - in that nothing has gone wrong or dropped off.
You can be sure when the 998 comes out, the 997 will be rounded upon just as the 996 is now. Then we'll have our day....
PS Anyone know where I can buy Total 911? - no newsagent in Central london seems to stock it.
Some really good arguments made.
It seems both 911 & PW and GT Purely Porsche tend to define older models as in some way better than current production - I guess it's a way of somehow looking back on the halcyon days of Porsche when they were semi hand built.
To the magazine readers that bought those cars new, it relives that era.
And it perpetuates the myth, sustaining readership but ignoring the fact these manufacturing techniques almost took Porsche under in the early nineties.
So the older models need to be looked back on as hallowed machines, and the latest model (997, KN and soon the Cayman) heralded as a significant advance.Otherwise why bother to read the road test?
That leaves the 996 in the firing line which is tosh. My 996 turbo is the most reliable of the 4 Porsches I've owned - in that nothing has gone wrong or dropped off.
You can be sure when the 998 comes out, the 997 will be rounded upon just as the 996 is now. Then we'll have our day....
PS Anyone know where I can buy Total 911? - no newsagent in Central london seems to stock it.
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