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996 Turbo vs 996 40 Jahre

Ive read this thread with interest and having been fortunate enough to have a Carrera, C4S and now a Turbo S in the last 5 years thought you'd like to hear my experience

Carrera - Handling was superb and very pure with power through the rears, on the twisties came alive in the dry, on the motorway the front end felt a little floaty. Wasn't a huge fan of the narrow body shape. I had PSE retrofitted but didn't like the cut out a low speeds. Fabulous car though a real drivers car.

C4S - Felt much more planted on the road, front end noticably heavier, not quite as sharp on the twisties but more than capable. Looks to die for at the rear and front end much smarter too, (I think the 40 Jahre has the same front end does it not) PSE fitted retrospectively on this too but this time either on or off via the dash switch and no low speed cut out.

Turbo S - To be honest never thought I'd own one but got a good deal on the C4S and the Turbo and Turbo S are such good value it'd have been rude not to.[:D]
Car is lighter to drive than the C4S, ceramics and hollow spoke wheels help in this respect and is noticable at lower speeds. Car is blisteringly quick when you want it to be or can still be driven normally, I echo Richard's comments on the overtaking ability. Wide body and air intakes appeal to me as does the rear end though not quite as nice as the 4S red strip. Exhaust note nowhere near as addictive as the PSE on previous cars and no Porsche option. Basic spec on the Turbo S is pretty good with most boxes ticked as standard.

In all 3 cases running costs have been comparable, no major items gone as yet (touch wood),

What I would say is that when I got each car I thought I'd keep them, but got the itch to move up quicker than I thought, the current car is not a daily driver so fully intend this one stays in my ownershiplonger, and so does my wife.


If it were me in your position, Turbo, that'll save you going through the changes I did. All very nice cars and you won't be disappointed with any though if you're like me you'll always wonder what's the Turbo like if you don't go down that route,


Hope this helps.

Ash
 
+1

I totally agree with Rodney.I was going round the factory when they were talking up the 911 40th Jahre car
I was left completly underwhelmed.It appeared to be yet another blatant exercise by Mr Porsche to rope in few more quid on the back of this exclusivity thing.
On the same factory visit they took us round the Weissach test track in 3 cars one of which was a turbo
To this day i have never been driven in a car faster and made to do more seemingly impossible things,I was sold hook line and sinker
The amazing thing the guy driving us didnt look like his pulse went above 60
What I realised then is it would be impossible to exceded the limits of the car and .... I need driving lessons
Go on get the Turbo,you know you want to
I agree with Richard though you should be able to get more for your money
 
Richard

It's a shame you felt underwhelmed, I have to say I don't feel that way at all, I made a choice in a relatively rare 911, and it has given nothing but pleasure since I came into it's ownership, I was merely trying to offer an opinion from someone who had one of the cars being asked about.
I did in fact have the <pleasure> of driving a 997 Turbo for a week after a 17 year old rolled her car back down an incline into the front of my car after one day of ownership! I would agree that the driving experience is totally different and naturally much quicker (the 997TT offers 480bhp if I recall correctly). I also have a friend who is a 911 devotee who had the same car as you do now, his cost of ownership experience was considerably higher than mine is currently.
I will perhaps one day step into the Turbo and thus get a more rounded 911 ownership experience. In the meantime I will enjoy what I have, as the summer approaches (said with a certain amount of trepidation) I shall relish the thought of driving through the roads of Bucks/Berks/Oxon...now if only I can find a pothole avoidance device, there are some around my area that could swallow a 911 whole!
 
Sorry Mark

wasnt trying to dish your choice or be offensive
As with all these things they are subjective
If you are happy with what you have, you are happy
 
IMO the 40th Anniversary might be rare, but I doubt if the layman could spot the difference from the outside/inside unless you told them, it's just not different enough to warrant being sought after in it's own right (unlike the C4S).

The 345bhp > 1370kg of the 40th is more desirable to me than the (excluding AWD losses) 316bhp > 1500kg of the C4S. I've just been looking at some Turbo's - some nice ones out there for £28,000 - but I'd like a good warranty/FPSH if I'm spending this kind of money on a car. If a nice example at a reputable garage comes up I'll take it. But at the moment I'm thinking the 40th is still the way to go - my brother used to have an MkII 996 C4, felt (alot) faster than my current MkI C4. I'm sure an MkII X51 car without AWD losses would be far from underwhelming moving from an MkI C4!

I think the only way this can be solved is from test drives - if the 40th feels faster than my brothers C4 did, I'll be more than happy! I'll definitely have a hunt for a good Turbo though.
 
So I recently went to a dealers to have a look at the 40th they had in stock there. I must say I fell in love instantly, the GT Silver is a beautiful colour in the flesh, and the interior was simply stunning! However, I didn't test drive the car, as I need to sell mine first - up for sale now. Saying that, the one there looked a bit suspect - it had plenty of dried out oil on the surface of the engine bay, and oil flicks on the underside of the car. Am I being stupid to think that the X51 cars should have the aluminum air snorkel? The one on the 40th I saw was plastic.
 
AFAIK the 996 x51 kit uses the same air box as any other 3.6 996. So the standard plastic parts. Although the inlet manifold is certainly different.

The 996 x51 engine
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The 997 x51 kit as fitted to the 3.8 has a very nice carbon dual snorkel air box that several people have fitted to their non-X51 997 (it's cheaper than many of the aftermarket CAI (cold air intakes))

997 x51 dual snorkel air box
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