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edh
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£3-500 depending on where you go for the job & what else needs changing (seals, idlers etc..)
Maybe add on £150 for the waterpump - if it's not been done for years it's a good "while you're in there" job.
And if its a 16V then cam chain / tensioners / sprockets need checking (plenty of posts on here about that issue)
One warning - i bought a 924S once that had just had the belts done ( I saw the receipt). Just a shame they hadn't done the oil seals at the same time [8|], all the garage had done was just cleaned it up. Had to do it all again.[
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Maybe add on £150 for the waterpump - if it's not been done for years it's a good "while you're in there" job.
And if its a 16V then cam chain / tensioners / sprockets need checking (plenty of posts on here about that issue)
One warning - i bought a 924S once that had just had the belts done ( I saw the receipt). Just a shame they hadn't done the oil seals at the same time [8|], all the garage had done was just cleaned it up. Had to do it all again.[
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924nutter
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The cost of belt replacement on either car should be broadly similar (parts depending) as although the S2 has a 16valve head the exhaust cam is driven by the inlet cam via a chain, so it still has a single cam belt. Of course, the condition of the chain sprockets, chain and tensioner are crucial, and no seller is going to let you whip the cam cover off to have a look. Unless you are absolutely certain about the latter, I would stick with the 2.7 8 valve.
xenon
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I bought an S2 last week having tried both, and without wishing to upset any 2.7 owners (it's opinion after all) I found the S2 hugely more entertaining to drive - the kick over 4000 rpm is great, as well as the torque spread.
I was quoted by a Porsche specialist £350 for all the belts and rollers. As far as the chain goes, as long as it isn't too stretched simply changing the tensioner slippers (easy job) is all that's needed.
I ordered two slippers and all the seals with the anticipation of doing the job on my S2 only to find it had been recently done. I now have some spares! (for sale[]). Worth doing on any 16v if you're not sure of the provenance.
I was quoted by a Porsche specialist £350 for all the belts and rollers. As far as the chain goes, as long as it isn't too stretched simply changing the tensioner slippers (easy job) is all that's needed.
I ordered two slippers and all the seals with the anticipation of doing the job on my S2 only to find it had been recently done. I now have some spares! (for sale[
]). Worth doing on any 16v if you're not sure of the provenance.
Suffolk944
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My advice would be to get a turbo []
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xenon
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The red one (S2) is on PistonHeads for £3900, so I've saved you £200 already....
I considered the red one (as I say, only bought mine last weekend) but it was too far away for me to travel, as it is in the north of Scotland. Looks tidy though. I would go for an S2 or a turbo above the 2.5 as you get a good power hike.
This one looks good, if a little leggy:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=001&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=110151025713&rd=1&rd=1
I considered a turbo too but my feeling was in real-world driving it wouldn't be a huge amount quicker, and the S2 is quick enough. I was a little nervous about the turbo from a maintenance point of view but I don't think it's anymore of a risk really, as long as the oil is changed religiously and it is allowed to cool properly.
I considered the red one (as I say, only bought mine last weekend) but it was too far away for me to travel, as it is in the north of Scotland. Looks tidy though. I would go for an S2 or a turbo above the 2.5 as you get a good power hike.
This one looks good, if a little leggy:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=001&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=110151025713&rd=1&rd=1
I considered a turbo too but my feeling was in real-world driving it wouldn't be a huge amount quicker, and the S2 is quick enough. I was a little nervous about the turbo from a maintenance point of view but I don't think it's anymore of a risk really, as long as the oil is changed religiously and it is allowed to cool properly.
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I bought an S2 last week having tried both, and without wishing to upset any 2.7 owners (it's opinion after all) I found the S2 hugely more entertaining to drive - the kick over 4000 rpm is great, as well as the torque spread.
I was quoted by a Porsche specialist £350 for all the belts and rollers. As far as the chain goes, as long as it isn't too stretched simply changing the tensioner slippers (easy job) is all that's needed.
I ordered two slippers and all the seals with the anticipation of doing the job on my S2 only to find it had been recently done. I now have some spares! (for sale[
£350 is cheap for all the belts and rollers - the rollers themselves mount up in terms of parts prices. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'd check it isn't just belts with an addtional cost for any rollers that need doing as that's closer to what I'd ecpect to be quoted for belts only.
In terms of the chain I'm afraid you're not quite right. Yes if it has stretched too much you need a new one. You also need a new one if the sporckets are worn or if the case hardening has started to fail on the cams. I'm very unsure about just replacing the chain anyway - on a motorbike you replace sprockets and chain together as otherwise the wear on the component you don't replace will cause hugely accelerated wear in the components you do. I can't see how that's any different with S/S2 valvegear, hence personally I wouldn't do just the chain. Some cars that had done small mileages when the problem was first made public may be OK through having the tensioners checked / replaced regularly though case hardening seems to be more related to age than miles with some cars having a problem quite early and others lasting well.
Basically if I were buying an S2 again I'd either want to see an invoice for new cams & chain from someone I trust, to be allowed to get someone who knows what they are looking at to lift the cam cover and inspect it or to get the car for £1,500 less than its full value to insure me against the cost of replacing it all.
I don't mean to sound negative and the S2 is a nice car, but I've had to do cams on both of mine and I know lots of others who have had to do the same, and I also know that many, many others are either burying their head in the sand or blissfully unaware of the state of their valvegear.
The 968 is in the same boat if not more so because of the variable timing gubbins.
No. Nothing additional to worry about with a Turbo - the only difference is the turbo itself which is similar in cost to S2 cams and more reliable in my experience. I changed the oil on my S2s at 6,000 miles in any case though that's the interval for a Turbo. Otherwise there is nothing in it.
All that said a standard Turbo is not as nice a drive as an S2, though they usually have a higher spec (air-con is standard for example).
I'd be wary of any old car from Scotland, especially a 944 S2 or Turbo as we're starting to see sill rot quite often in them these days. I'm originally from Scotland and I know through experience how much worse the condition of the average car from there compared with those in the south west is.
I'm not sure what you mean. You're the one with the money so you make the offer and if it isn't accepted you walk away or you put the onus on the vendor to prove the condition of the cams and hence the value of the car. Simple.
I did it with my S2 cab and low and behold it did need cams when it was checked - I didn't save any money but I also only paid market value for the car by the time I had it fixed.
When you're the buyer you have the upper hand remember.
xenon
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I know what you're saying, Fen, and I take your point. I just mean that on a car for sale at £3900 you're unlikely to get the vendor to knock off £1500 at the drop of a hat - hence "good luck".
The chain and tensioner assembly (piston and slippers, top & bottom) were replaced on my car 25000 miles ago but the cams weren't. Are you saying that the spockets might be worn requiring replacement of the cams too? [:-]
The chain and tensioner assembly (piston and slippers, top & bottom) were replaced on my car 25000 miles ago but the cams weren't. Are you saying that the spockets might be worn requiring replacement of the cams too? [:-]
xenon
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Can't see a red S2 on eBay at that price, only the Scottish one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-944-S2-1990-MOT-06-08-SERVICED-AND-BELTS-DONE_W0QQitemZ120143375333QQihZ002QQcategoryZ9860QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I got it the wrong way round - it's 3900 on eBay, 4100 on PH.
Can't see one from Ascot.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-944-S2-1990-MOT-06-08-SERVICED-AND-BELTS-DONE_W0QQitemZ120143375333QQihZ002QQcategoryZ9860QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I got it the wrong way round - it's 3900 on eBay, 4100 on PH.
Can't see one from Ascot.
I guess at the time the market value of the S2 cab was closer to £9k and I paid £7,200 for it so I take your point.
I am saying your car might need cams. It's not endemic, but it's common enough that there's a good chance. As I have posted on here before I'd get mine checked if I had a 16V 4 banger Porsche or any variant.
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