Aftermarket wheels on a 944, porsche design or veloce RS
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u63af
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The 996 10 spokes that you had pictured are the lightest oe wheel (i think)
http://www.944racing.de/felgengewichte.php
To be fair if your just using it as a road car I doubt you would really notice the difference. The s2's are so slow anyway that you will need to just accept being overtaken by turbos.
http://www.944racing.de/felgengewichte.php
To be fair if your just using it as a road car I doubt you would really notice the difference. The s2's are so slow anyway that you will need to just accept being overtaken by turbos.
wolfie308
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u63af said:
The difference between the turquoise car on 16" Design 90's with standard suspension which I believe was original and 123k miles, and the new one with KW V.3's and 17" Cup's is night and day.....much more planted and held the line far better through fast bends. The 968 Mo30 polybushed front and rear ARB's have also helped remove virtually all body roll(road use only). The MOMO steering wheel also helps complete the feel...
924Srr27l
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u63af said:U63AF
To be fair if your just using it as a road car I doubt you would really notice the difference. The s2's are so slow anyway that you will need to just accept being overtaken by turbos.
Racing or Road the same difference would be felt, from a sensitive driver.
A car driven on public roads on a heavy set of wheels and then back to backed with a lightweight set will and does make a huge difference to how fast it actually drives & feels but also the actually performance is real (If you also did timed tests)
The biggest factor here is the human being.
You only to take a look at any Amateur Motor Race in any catorgary to see there are simply many different and wide ranges of talent! Some people have something in their ECU that makes them feel more than others and makes them much faster than others, so with this in mind there is a very big percentage of car owners who should we say are not as blessed, and in the case of males many don't realise it or will they admit it!
Laggy Turbo v N/A
From tickover to 1750RPM my Normal aspirated High compression Engine has more Torque than a standard 952 Turbo S,
The car also has much less mass and unsprung weight to move when the traffic lights go GREEN.......So it's gone!
There's no way a supply of natural ambient air density can compete with a Compressed air and fuel mixture, but from 2000rpm the turbo Motor only produces 13ft lbs more torque than my 2.7 N/A, at 3000rpm and 5000rpm the deficit is only 48ft lbs,
and 6000rpm the gap is down to ONLY 24ft lbs more for the Turbo S.
Long Live Normal Aspiration! as chosen for many Iconic cars like Gordon Murray (McLaren F1) & Adrian Newey (Aston Martin)
R
I'm getting bored now, can we not go back to talking about originality and values?
I get that you've spent a lot of time and money on your car but stuffing it into every single thread about how amazing it is and it will beat x,y,z is getting a little repetitive. Comparing a highly modified n/a to a bog standard Turbo is baffling at best, especially as I read it that you should've just saved up and bought a Turbo as "the lady doth protest too much"
I've driven light and revvy n/a cars (vtec yo) and lazy laggy Turbos - both demand a different driving style to get the most out of them but both have their charms. If you want like for like then go head to head with even a slightly modified turbo and see what happens - go up against one that's had the same time and effort put into it as yours and you may as well start off in reverse gear. I'll see if I can find the dyno trace of my car, you might be surprised with the Apexi boost controller how early 313ft/lbs of torque arrives and how flat the line stays through the bulk of the Rev range And that's on the standard Turbocharger.
In in answer to the OP's question - my mate had a set of Veloces on his 968 for about 3 years and they looked absolutely fantastic - buy those!
I get that you've spent a lot of time and money on your car but stuffing it into every single thread about how amazing it is and it will beat x,y,z is getting a little repetitive. Comparing a highly modified n/a to a bog standard Turbo is baffling at best, especially as I read it that you should've just saved up and bought a Turbo as "the lady doth protest too much"
I've driven light and revvy n/a cars (vtec yo) and lazy laggy Turbos - both demand a different driving style to get the most out of them but both have their charms. If you want like for like then go head to head with even a slightly modified turbo and see what happens - go up against one that's had the same time and effort put into it as yours and you may as well start off in reverse gear. I'll see if I can find the dyno trace of my car, you might be surprised with the Apexi boost controller how early 313ft/lbs of torque arrives and how flat the line stays through the bulk of the Rev range And that's on the standard Turbocharger.
In in answer to the OP's question - my mate had a set of Veloces on his 968 for about 3 years and they looked absolutely fantastic - buy those!
924Srr27l
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[quote said:
I think this thread is about Wheels? but I had to respond to the Slow S2 gag that's all, the OP owns one !
I can see it's not for you!
especially as I read it that you should've just saved up and bought a Turbo as "the lady doth protest too much"
Sure that would of been dead easy, too easy but this project was to achieve Turbo or better performance in a N/A , I can understand this annoys the Whoosh bang lovers and that just's makes the accomplishment even sweeter...
No it's not a like for like contest at all, more of a David v Goliath situation, it's ok if you don't get it, really.
Now I'm bored...........! back to those Veloces that don;t last long ! 3 years you mate did well there.
Are they USA made or China?
R
blade7
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924Srr27l said:
I understand and it's a fact of life when you find the Free Bus Pass beckons and Toyota Yaris's seem a good buy! [
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I'm years away from a free bus pass and I get my road fun with something putting out 190 bhp and weighing 200kg. I think you've got a big Welsh inferiority complex ... [
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924Srr27l
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blade7 said:924Srr27l said:
I understand and it's a fact of life when you find the Free Bus Pass beckons and Toyota Yaris's seem a good buy! [
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I'm years away from a free bus pass and I get my road fun with something putting out 190 bhp and weighing 200kg. I think you've got a big Welsh inferiority complex ... [
Oh that sounds a contradiction ? only you said:
If there was ever a Road vehicle that would be described as a ticket to losing your licence.......
It would be for sure something "putting out 190 bhp and weighing 200kg" [&:]
I was born and raised in Cambridgeshire & Lincs !
R
53berliner
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well i've gone with the 17" boxster wheels here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=252612196084#ht_500wt_1361.
with coloured crest centers I think they will look good and sticking to 17" it will not effect the ride so much and straight bolt on apparently
with coloured crest centers I think they will look good and sticking to 17" it will not effect the ride so much and straight bolt on apparently
53berliner
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which would be the better tyre for comfort924Srr27l said:
u63af
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924Srr27l said:u63af said:U63AF
To be fair if your just using it as a road car I doubt you would really notice the difference. The s2's are so slow anyway that you will need to just accept being overtaken by turbos.
Racing or Road the same difference would be felt, from a sensitive driver.
A car driven on public roads on a heavy set of wheels and then back to backed with a lightweight set will and does make a huge difference to how fast it actually drives & feels but also the actually performance is real (If you also did timed tests)
The biggest factor here is the human being.
You only to take a look at any Amateur Motor Race in any catorgary to see there are simply many different and wide ranges of talent! Some people have something in their ECU that makes them feel more than others and makes them much faster than others, so with this in mind there is a very big percentage of car owners who should we say are not as blessed, and in the case of males many don't realise it or will they admit it!
Laggy Turbo v N/A
From tickover to 1750RPM my Normal aspirated High compression Engine has more Torque than a standard 952 Turbo S,
The car also has much less mass and unsprung weight to move when the traffic lights go GREEN.......So it's gone!
There's no way a supply of natural ambient air density can compete with a Compressed air and fuel mixture, but from 2000rpm the turbo Motor only produces 13ft lbs more torque than my 2.7 N/A, at 3000rpm and 5000rpm the deficit is only 48ft lbs,
and 6000rpm the gap is down to ONLY 24ft lbs more for the Turbo S.
Long Live Normal Aspiration! as chosen for many Iconic cars like Gordon Murray (McLaren F1) & Adrian Newey (Aston Martin)
R
I appreciate on a race track when your looking to save a few milliseconds off a lap time then the wheel weight is important but I dont believe you would notice a difference on a public road. The majority of oe 17"s are not that much heavier than the d90s which weight in at 8.5kg for a 7" front and 9.9kg for a 8" rear. A set of 17" cup 2 weigh in at 9kg front and 10.15kg for a 9" rear. The weight difference is so nominal that I do not believe anyone would notice it. Fair enough if you put on a set of wheels that were an extra 4 or 5 kg a side heavier then you would notice but I am not aware of any wheels that are this heavy aside for some cheap replicas or old split rims.
Happy to accept your challenge from the traffic lights.
I will be dumping my clutch from 3,000 rpm and my nice 255 wide rear tyres will help put the power down. haI would add, I enjoy the turbo/s2 banter, I actually have a turbo and an s2 so see the pros and cons either side. My turbo is not standard and will have a lot more torque and bhp then standard when its done and as such long term I will be keeping the turbo and selling the s2.
924Srr27l
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53berliner said:
If you had and driven the car regular for a good while then took off the 16's for the 17;s you would of noticed a Ride quality
deficit , but as it's all new to you , you'll probably not?
The 205/50/17 Size fits the 7" Width nice and also has a higher sidewall than 225/45/17 so it's better for comfort.
On the rear You've got a 9" Width rim, so it's really only 255/40/17 or you could go 235/45/17 or 245/45/17 which both have higher sidewalls again but are slightly stretched more on the rim than the 255.
I would not skimp on Tyres if you can, Michelin will give you the best of dry / wet and longevity but are the most expensive.
R
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