Althorpe Register Parking
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This is the answer that I received when I asked about register parking last month:
"Hello Philip.
Hope you and your car are well. So far the request for Early 911 members wishing to park in a register display has resulted in one other person coming forward. The register director needs confirmation by the end of this month that we wish to have the space and at the moment I cannot justify it.
I will keep you informed as to whether we manage to get the numbers or are going to end up in the general parking with everyone else.
Regards.
Ian."
"Hello Philip.
Hope you and your car are well. So far the request for Early 911 members wishing to park in a register display has resulted in one other person coming forward. The register director needs confirmation by the end of this month that we wish to have the space and at the moment I cannot justify it.
I will keep you informed as to whether we manage to get the numbers or are going to end up in the general parking with everyone else.
Regards.
Ian."
Philip,
Thanks very much indeed for taking the trouble to provide the information.
Nice of Ian to let me know about register parking as I asked months ago and expressed my interest. Perhaps he was hoping that I would find out by telepathy. I did have the opportunity to park with my region but that has now passed me by. Not at all happy. Totally hopeless. Little point in having the ability to let members know what is happening if the facility is not used.
Ian was also going to contact any member who had either an Orange or Viper (bright) green early 911 in good order to display at the Silverstone Classic as part of a group of Safety Colours LWB cars. Suspect that has not been done either as I have not had any feed back.
Regards,
Kirk
Thanks very much indeed for taking the trouble to provide the information.
Nice of Ian to let me know about register parking as I asked months ago and expressed my interest. Perhaps he was hoping that I would find out by telepathy. I did have the opportunity to park with my region but that has now passed me by. Not at all happy. Totally hopeless. Little point in having the ability to let members know what is happening if the facility is not used.
Ian was also going to contact any member who had either an Orange or Viper (bright) green early 911 in good order to display at the Silverstone Classic as part of a group of Safety Colours LWB cars. Suspect that has not been done either as I have not had any feed back.
Regards,
Kirk
Hi Kirk,
You are probably the other member that Ian refers to as expressing interest in register parking at Althrop!
Regarding the Silverstone Classic, I think Narinder Webb at the club HQ is the person to contact regarding parking in the Safety Colour group, I suggest you call her or if not email events@porscheclubgb.com
You are probably the other member that Ian refers to as expressing interest in register parking at Althrop!
Regarding the Silverstone Classic, I think Narinder Webb at the club HQ is the person to contact regarding parking in the Safety Colour group, I suggest you call her or if not email events@porscheclubgb.com
Hello Kirk. Regarding the register parking I have had you and Philip come forward with a possible one other as well. The dilema is that looking at the response so far we should give up the spaces but I am still trying to have a display for the register. I could have terminated the request for a register display a month ago looking at the response but that seems such a shame. The next Porsche Post already has a final call and we are looking for six cars each day. I can understand your frustration if you have given up space in your region parking for the uncertainty of a will it happen, won't it happen register display.
With the orange or viper car I have been pursuing this but unable to find a car for the specific request. I am trying to track down one more person for the orange car but I have been remiss in not keeping you up to date.
Ian.
With the orange or viper car I have been pursuing this but unable to find a car for the specific request. I am trying to track down one more person for the orange car but I have been remiss in not keeping you up to date.
Ian.
Ian,
Thank you very much for your reply. I fully understand if the response for register parking is poor that it is difficult to justify space. However, keeping the situation up to date on here is not a great deal to ask. Possibly more may come forward for regiaster parking IF members are kept up to speed.
I have been in contact with Albert Walsh The Register Director who has advised that there should be six spaces available for the Early 911 register. Perhaps this could be communicated to register members by a direct personal E Mail.
Regards,
Kirk
Thank you very much for your reply. I fully understand if the response for register parking is poor that it is difficult to justify space. However, keeping the situation up to date on here is not a great deal to ask. Possibly more may come forward for regiaster parking IF members are kept up to speed.
I have been in contact with Albert Walsh The Register Director who has advised that there should be six spaces available for the Early 911 register. Perhaps this could be communicated to register members by a direct personal E Mail.
Regards,
Kirk
philip_sloper said:
Philip,
Thank you very much for your reply. I am trying to assist Ricky Caesar to find cars for display at the Silverstone Classic and have two members cars in safety colours and was looking for a third to put on display rather than looking for an opportunity of finding a parking space.
As an aside, seeing your lovely car a few years ago at an event, motivated me to purchase an early 911.
Regards,
Kirk
Ian
Based on your earlier response I have made plans to park with the other cars from my region.
Kirk
Hopefully I will see your car at Silverstone before then.
Based on your earlier response I have made plans to park with the other cars from my region.
Kirk
Hopefully I will see your car at Silverstone before then.
The problem is getting early car owners to attend the national show or to be on a display. This is not a 'must do show' for early owners so it seems difficult to get people to commit to being there on the day. They are more likey to decide to attend just before depending on weather, etc. There is another show that fills that 'must do show' slot where you know you will see ranks and ranks of early cars so it goes in the diary early. That and the fact I get an increasing number of calls who want to discuss whether this or that car has good investment potential rather than being a car to drive and park in a field.
You are correct that we have 6 spaces allocated each day. However it is difficult to have a register display if only two people are interested. I take your point on board about using the forum more to keep people up to date. Not many owners use the forum though and the biggest response I get to any requests are always through Porsche Post. The next issue has another request plus a direct email will go out. If that doesn't fill the six spaces for both days then there is a dilemma. Bin the display at late notice or try and fill it on the day from cars coming through the gate.
Regarding the Silverstone display I emailed you last night about a car that can be available for the Sunday. Signal Orange and a stunning car. If it helps I can put you or Ricky in touch with the owner.
Fair enough Philip regarding your parking arrangements.
Ian.
You are correct that we have 6 spaces allocated each day. However it is difficult to have a register display if only two people are interested. I take your point on board about using the forum more to keep people up to date. Not many owners use the forum though and the biggest response I get to any requests are always through Porsche Post. The next issue has another request plus a direct email will go out. If that doesn't fill the six spaces for both days then there is a dilemma. Bin the display at late notice or try and fill it on the day from cars coming through the gate.
Regarding the Silverstone display I emailed you last night about a car that can be available for the Sunday. Signal Orange and a stunning car. If it helps I can put you or Ricky in touch with the owner.
Fair enough Philip regarding your parking arrangements.
Ian.
Ian,
Thank you for your post regarding Althorp register parking.
I fully recognise that the increasing value of early 911s tempers usage by some owners but this surely means that more has to be done on here and via Porsche Post to encourage owners to attend events and use their cars rather than accept what appears to be the status quo: not to use your car. The Porsche Post early 911 register section tends not to have any contribution within it month after month. I am cognisent of the fact that you are, Ian, an unpaid volunteer so there are no doubt personal time contraints. However an empty slot does not engender interest.
I do not see why a national PCGB event is not a "must do" for early cars. Your justification appears to be that there is another event with ranks of early cars. Presumably you are refering to Hedingham? As far as I am aware this is the only UK event and not a PCGB event at that, where early cars in numbers can be seen. Added to that I suspect that most of the early 911s at Hedingham belong not to PCGB members but to the DDK fraternity who appear to use and enjoy their cars. This enthusiasm is, in part, as a result of DDK having an active internet profile which generates interest in the early 911 cars. Perhaps there is a lesson there for us as a club? If as a register we can not muster 6 cars to a PCGB national event it seems there is a justification for not having a register at all.
Regards,
Kirk
Thank you for your post regarding Althorp register parking.
I fully recognise that the increasing value of early 911s tempers usage by some owners but this surely means that more has to be done on here and via Porsche Post to encourage owners to attend events and use their cars rather than accept what appears to be the status quo: not to use your car. The Porsche Post early 911 register section tends not to have any contribution within it month after month. I am cognisent of the fact that you are, Ian, an unpaid volunteer so there are no doubt personal time contraints. However an empty slot does not engender interest.
I do not see why a national PCGB event is not a "must do" for early cars. Your justification appears to be that there is another event with ranks of early cars. Presumably you are refering to Hedingham? As far as I am aware this is the only UK event and not a PCGB event at that, where early cars in numbers can be seen. Added to that I suspect that most of the early 911s at Hedingham belong not to PCGB members but to the DDK fraternity who appear to use and enjoy their cars. This enthusiasm is, in part, as a result of DDK having an active internet profile which generates interest in the early 911 cars. Perhaps there is a lesson there for us as a club? If as a register we can not muster 6 cars to a PCGB national event it seems there is a justification for not having a register at all.
Regards,
Kirk
You raise some interesting questions. Yes I was referring to Headington. If you look at the early Porsche scene then they have their own show, their own specialist magazine and their own online community. All outside of PCGB. The companies who restore and look after the cars all have their own open days these days which again are non club specific. This position is the result of decisions made by the club years ago, mainly before I became RS and some during. I remember a director telling me point blank to my face that he would not disuss Classics At The Castle with me. Full stop. I would have argued for PCGB to put the effort in to become the focus for all of the above. But it didn't and others filled the vacuum.
The register does a lot of work behind the scenes. Simple things like getting someone who had been through the process of having a car built at Historika to talk to an owner who was interested in having Historika restore a 69S at a not insignificant budget. As a result he went ahead in confidence. Then there was the first UK RHD S and press car that sold at Bonhams that had sat in a field for years (as I had been in conversation with the guy who had found it) and was held togther by wire with the rest in crates. Talking through the car with a bidder and putting him in touch with the right specialist before the auction so he knew what he was bidding for as he was a GT3 man up till then. He now owns the car. Helping an owner understand why his chassis number appeared to suggest in Porsche records his car was a LHD car sold to the German market when in fact it was originally sold in Scotland and was a pukka RHD car. Signing papers so an owner could get his original registration re-assigned to a car when the DVLA had no record. Etc. So yes a lot of the social side moved away from PCGB years ago but the register still has merit.
Regarding the magazine, I will always welcome owners who wish to contribute articles.
Ian.
The register does a lot of work behind the scenes. Simple things like getting someone who had been through the process of having a car built at Historika to talk to an owner who was interested in having Historika restore a 69S at a not insignificant budget. As a result he went ahead in confidence. Then there was the first UK RHD S and press car that sold at Bonhams that had sat in a field for years (as I had been in conversation with the guy who had found it) and was held togther by wire with the rest in crates. Talking through the car with a bidder and putting him in touch with the right specialist before the auction so he knew what he was bidding for as he was a GT3 man up till then. He now owns the car. Helping an owner understand why his chassis number appeared to suggest in Porsche records his car was a LHD car sold to the German market when in fact it was originally sold in Scotland and was a pukka RHD car. Signing papers so an owner could get his original registration re-assigned to a car when the DVLA had no record. Etc. So yes a lot of the social side moved away from PCGB years ago but the register still has merit.
Regarding the magazine, I will always welcome owners who wish to contribute articles.
Ian.
I think the club is missing something by not seeming very interested in the heritage of Porsche, particularly as it seems that the factory is becoming much more interested with its Porsche Classic program, and Porsche GB also running its Classic Restoration competition for Porsche Centres for a second year after its success in 2014.
With respect, that seems a fairly odd observation. Flicking through the June copy of PP I see a 911T on the front cover, club involvement at the Silverstone Classic, 911 turbo display ay Althorp showcasing cars from the 1970's onwards and other displays featuring 924, 50 years of 912 and 60 years of the Carrera name. Then there is the article on Historika who specialise in early Porsches, the Bicester Heritage site, a 6 page article on the aforementioned 911T, an article about Essen's annual Techno Classica -not bad for a club seemingly not very interested in the heritage of the marque! I would suggest it is the club members and not what you refer to as "the club" that are coming up short? From my attempts to organise a 993 get together it would appear that anything air cooled is now often seen as an appreciating asset which comes out to play all too infrequently for fear of putting a few more miles on it?philip_sloper said:
In the post before Ian said "So yes a lot of the social side moved away from PCGB years ago....". Well, not in the region or register to which I belong it hasn't
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Sorry, I was really referring to events, and my personal experience of the club's activities at past National Events and Silverstone Classics.
MJB said:
Well said Martin. The national event at Althorp really should be a must event on every Register and Regional calendar.
As Events Director and Chairman I have organised numerous emails to all ROs and RSs over the past months encouraging attendance at Althorp and some have responded well and have booked Register spaces for their members. Some have even asked for additional spaces which we have been happy to find.
The club really is all about all models of Porsche from 1948 to 2015 and we do not discriminate whether they are old and new. It is the duty of each RS to help us promote their individual models on this forum, Porsche Post and at national events too. We leave the RSs and ROs much to their own discretion to actively promote the areas of responsibility they have been entrusted. Of course they do have guidance from the club and respective directors.
I would personally be delighted to see as may of the early cars - air or water cooled at Althorp. In fact the pride of place at the Althorp anniversary display are the 912 and 924 models.
See you at Althorp!!!
Ian,
I am aware that you do help owners and propective owners of early cars "behind the scenes" as you have provided information to me when I was looking for a suitable car. Perhaps these activities should be reported in Porsche Post and/ or on the forum more frequently? This at least would indicate that there is some "life" in the register.
I would like to know how many cars are within the register, how many LHD or RHD, LWB, SWB, 2.0., 2.2.,2.4, Coupe, Targa, "S", "E", "T", ST, RS, RSR or "normal" and of these how many are on the road as opposed to laid up or being worked on. How many cars were actually imported new to the UK. I am aware that a number of individuals, who are not necessarily PCGB members, try to maintain a register of certain types of Early vehicles: should the club reach out to these sources in order to compile a bigger picture of the cars in the UK? More broadly should the club make an effort to form a relationship with DDK members?
If I understand your argument then the following pertains and justifies the seeming lack of involvement by members of the early 911 register.
1 Vehicle values and cars as an investment
2 Althorp (as an example) is not a must do show
3 A specialist magazine exists for early cars
4 Hedingham: Not a PCGB event
5 Early car on line community not related to PCGB
6 Various companies who work on early cars have their own open days
7 Social activity move away from PCGB due to attitudes of previous PCGB Directors
8 PCGB Early 911 forum is not used
I would invite comment from PCGB Directors.
Regards,
Kirk
I am aware that you do help owners and propective owners of early cars "behind the scenes" as you have provided information to me when I was looking for a suitable car. Perhaps these activities should be reported in Porsche Post and/ or on the forum more frequently? This at least would indicate that there is some "life" in the register.
I would like to know how many cars are within the register, how many LHD or RHD, LWB, SWB, 2.0., 2.2.,2.4, Coupe, Targa, "S", "E", "T", ST, RS, RSR or "normal" and of these how many are on the road as opposed to laid up or being worked on. How many cars were actually imported new to the UK. I am aware that a number of individuals, who are not necessarily PCGB members, try to maintain a register of certain types of Early vehicles: should the club reach out to these sources in order to compile a bigger picture of the cars in the UK? More broadly should the club make an effort to form a relationship with DDK members?
If I understand your argument then the following pertains and justifies the seeming lack of involvement by members of the early 911 register.
1 Vehicle values and cars as an investment
2 Althorp (as an example) is not a must do show
3 A specialist magazine exists for early cars
4 Hedingham: Not a PCGB event
5 Early car on line community not related to PCGB
6 Various companies who work on early cars have their own open days
7 Social activity move away from PCGB due to attitudes of previous PCGB Directors
8 PCGB Early 911 forum is not used
I would invite comment from PCGB Directors.
Regards,
Kirk
Porsche Club Archive has a copy of the Porsche Cars GB log that covers all cars that passed through Isleworth between 1965 and 1973 inclusive. Information for the Sportomatic variant between these years is pasted in the Sportomatic Register section of the website. The complete log is in the process of being scanned and will be visible to Club members in the near future.
Good to hear that the hand written log of all AFN imported cars will be made available to the members. The list that was compiled by AFN was made available to Porsche Club by Mark Waring and Dr Richard Cole,who were the former Register Secretary and Register Assistant of the Early 911 Register. They spent many hours at Porsche Reading transcribing the car details, a lot of hard patient work. The list covers all the early 911 models, the 911RS the 912 and Sportomatic imports which were not all RHD cars. I look forward to the publication of the list which I think will be devoured by the member owners of the early Porsche cars. Well done Peter.
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