Am I ever going to find a perfect 964?

[NormalNorm]

ORIGINAL: brksy16

Norm, I think Richard was pointing out that the 964 running gear was never approved for 18 inch wheels. I believe it was only the late 964 RSR that was. However, many people have 18s on their 964s with no problems.

Were you trying to trick us up by initially missing out the bit about you knowing the owner who has his own bodyshop? []

Hey Steve, no I wasnt trying to trick you in not mentioning that the guy who owns the car owns a bodyshop. In worse case I shud have mentioned, as the car and him became a suspicious suspect!ha[] No, lets just say he is a nutter when it comes to cars, as he builds to show to concour standards. Just spoke to him before and he did say, he went round looking for a particular colour , having seen a few , and came across this which seem to be owned by an elderly chap who has had the car for a while. Even spent a fair bit of money and ran the car all the time, backed up with piles and piles of invoices from Porsche Specialists, which I think over-rided the worse of how many owners it had. The car was even a Concour Porsche winner at one of the shows back in the day. As said the car before the mods and restoration was already a honest tidy car with the odd scabs, but as people on here mentioned, rubbers get brittle,lights become milky, therefore when he did a full respray on the car, he said never do things half way if you can afford it, and replace all the tired bit. Just quite similar to the AP cars with the full revamp.

Im not 'bigging' the guy up, but I do praise what he does as the car was £13k and has spent another £10k cosmetically, replaced the tatty exhaust, suspension, brakes and wheels, and even just come back from Porsche Specialist with a 24k mile service, all good report with wheel alignment set.

I apologise guys beforehand, but I hope you are all clear about the car, and like to know how much to pay for the car, because he may sell it at a push and persuasion.

 

[NormalNorm]

ORIGINAL: 911sse

You should contact Jeff Forsyth in Aberdeenshire to see if his car is still for sale.

He was heading off abroad for a few years. I think it was a Polar Silver 964 C2, I've heard independantly it was one of the very best. He'd an asking price of 18k at the time.

[FONT=arial"]Jeffery [FONT=arial"]Forsyth Home: 01467624465 Mobile: 079177 34252 e-mail jjpsf@hotmail.com

thanks will give him a try

 

[NormalNorm]

ORIGINAL: RichardLW

18" wheels need a slight modification to the car to work properly on 964s as they were never thus equipped (except maybe the 3.8RS and the Turbo S). I agree that wheels are very much a matter of personal taste however and non-standard wheels would never put me off buying a car unless they were horribly wrong. As everyone else has said, buy on condition - if its a nice car with a good history and the price is right, buy it but remember that the modifications will count against it unless you find a like minded buyer when you come to sell, so don't pay over the odds for it.

I have spoken to AP about some lightweight wheels for my car and I am quite familiar with their product range and all the cars on their site look pretty good - if I still had my 964 I would certainly be interested in going that way when it came time to freshen it up big time.

Richard, deep down I would love to buy my friends car. As you say at the right price! difficult when its your mate who has built it for himself, but im sure if he was to sell, he would sell slight lower than what he spent on her. But how much would I pay?

Its weird, because even if I was to find or buy another 964, I would send it to him and he would do all the restoration in the same way, but from this angle im paying him.

This brings me to the next topic!

 

[harry]

ORIGINAL: NormalNorm

ORIGINAL: harry

Have you looked on Pistonheads? Have a look at this ad: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/697173.htm Looks like it is worth having a look. The description and the pictures (look at the plastic floor cover over the mats) suggest it has been looked after. I would ask about the windshield replacement and ask if he was watching it being installed as some of the glass fitters are careless and scrape away the pain in the process of removing/installing the glass and will eventually lead to rust without you seeing that it is rusting until the bubbles appear from around the windshield frame.

Harry

Yes, thanks Harry, a friend of mine viewed it last week in Bristol. The car had 3 owners and it had covered 60 odd thousand miles. If you think the car I mentioned earlier is suspicious due to huge amounts of work, I think you shud check this one.
Low miles doesnt mean its a good one, in fact I walked away, not because of the cost as I would have paid for it if everything was as described.
1. the Front bumper was changed and resprayed.
2. the front panel and wheel bay has been professionally replaced, due to hitting a boulder?
3. the rear quarter has had paint.
4. from the service history cant remember full but there was note of something to do with 're-jiggin'?
5. the windshield and glass replacement may have been caused by something linked to the above mentioned!
6.he mentioned that the car was Zymol from time to time, but looking at the bodywork, it was full of swirls and hairline scratches.

So you guys think about this one.

Clearly, the car wasn't described fully on the pistonhead site. I agree, I would walk away from the car. If the car you are looking at hasn't had any bashing and paint is only cosmetic, a good PPI including compression testing should let you know what condition it is in. I wouldn't be surprised if the engine won't need rebuilding at that mileage sooner than later.

Harry

 

[Javid Butt]

Hi there

I have just joined the forum tonight for the first time although I have been a club member for many years and have a 964 myself which I have just put on Pistonheads today and have just tried to place an add with the PCBG site, but strugling at moment.

I know how you feel and have been there myself a few years ago when I started to look for my 1st 911 SC and after looking at lot decided to buy a good straight, level car as a base to work from and ended up with over £20k in a car that I only used v v occasionaly as I did not wish to spoil it in any way, but that then defeats the object of enjoying the driving of the car. The next time I went and found the best 964 I could afford and managed to find a realy nice one and have done nearly 10 X the miles in 1 year that I did in the other over 5 years and have only serviced the car and replaced a door mirror glass!!

 

[Javid Butt]

By the way can anybody tell me how I can register to login to the PCGB site so I can upload my 964 for sale????

Many thanks

 

[Dave Wilkinson]

ORIGINAL: Javid Butt

By the way can anybody tell me how I can register to login to the PCGB site so I can upload my 964 for sale????

Many thanks

Javid,

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=70284

Regards

Dave

 

[Steve Brookes]

Welcome to the forum Javid. It's a shame you've only just joined us as you are about to sell. [&o] Any plans for another Porsche? []

 

[kmdavis]

Have a look at my car for sale on pistonheads ref 697173 a genuine 964, 17 cup one's OE parts, late car with low mileage.I have the original OE parts if you do not like the upgrades to the clear lenses and steering wheel, and original rear exhaust box and tail pipe.Low mileage conti 2, recent suspension alignment by Chris at C of G. Last two service stamps by an OPC.Dry engine come and have a look at the garage floor.

 

[harry]

ORIGINAL: kmdavis

Have a look at my car for sale on pistonheads ref 697173 a genuine 964, 17 cup one's OE parts, late car with low mileage.I have the original OE parts if you do not like the upgrades to the clear lenses and steering wheel, and original rear exhaust box and tail pipe.Low mileage conti 2, recent suspension alignment by Chris at C of G. Last two service stamps by an OPC.Dry engine come and have a look at the garage floor.

I've already suggested that one...

Harry

 

[Javid Butt]

Hi Steve and All

Thanks for the welcome. As you say Steve it's a shame I have only just found the time to spend on this forum/site now but I have just sold a business to make myself more time so you may hear from me a little more for a while longer as I will most definitely be getting another 911 (may be a 996 Cab). I know it's not air cooled and therefore not as much fun but I think I need a little more comfort now after doing over 6000 miles in my 964 since last Oct, I think I need a change as I have to drive it come rain or shine even though it is a 3rd car. I just can't help myself.

So hope to get 996 in next 6/12 months and save like mad as well for my ultimate goal 993 Turbo

 

[Steve Brookes]

Great to hear Javid, air cooled or water cooled, I for one think they all have Porsche's soul []

 

[philippe]

I have not had time to read through all the posts but noticed in Total 911 this month that there is a nice looking 964 c4 in white with 44.000miles the advert also states that the car is stunningly original with superb history, contact details are www.philipraby.co.uk tell 0845 450 6964

Just thought i would mention it.

Phil

 

[polar964]

NormalNorm,
I can empathise with your frustration in finding that perfect 964. I should know, i've been there []. However, you have to put things in perspective, these cars are over 15 years old and with the best will in the world, if the car you've found has been used and enjoyed by their previous owner or owners, it will undoubtedly show signs of age, wear and tear. An analogy, 'You could have the best pair of shoes in the world and take remarkable care of them, but at some point they will need re-soleing!' You will receive plenty of advice here, however, the only person who know's exactly what you want and what you will be happy with is you. [] It is always very difficult to explain and appreciate the car you are viewing without seeing it in the metal so to speak. I think the car you may well be looking for may well not exist and if it does expect to pay the price when it was new £ 60k+
Like Ian has already said to own one of these cars is or becomes a hobby, a passion, because in real terms, the amount you end up spending on them doesn't quite make sense.
There are enough 964's out there for sale to give you an idea how much you are prepared to spend.
Happy looking

 

[NormalNorm]

ORIGINAL: polar964

NormalNorm,
I can empathise with your frustration in finding that perfect 964. I should know, i've been there []. However, you have to put things in perspective, these cars are over 15 years old and with the best will in the world, if the car you've found has been used and enjoyed by their previous owner or owners, it will undoubtedly show signs of age, wear and tear. An analogy, 'You could have the best pair of shoes in the world and take remarkable care of them, but at some point they will need re-soleing!' You will receive plenty of advice here, however, the only person who know's exactly what you want and what you will be happy with is you. [] It is always very difficult to explain and appreciate the car you are viewing without seeing it in the metal so to speak. I think the car you may well be looking for may well not exist and if it does expect to pay the price when it was new £ 60k+
Like Ian has already said to own one of these cars is or becomes a hobby, a passion, because in real terms, the amount you end up spending on them doesn't quite make sense.
There are enough 964's out there for sale to give you an idea how much you are prepared to spend.
Happy looking

thanks Paul,

say is yours for sale? decided I would like a silver one, but if anyone knows of anyone selling a 964, let me know either on PM or on here!thanks Norm

p.s Still looking![]

 

[l2015]

Hi norm, cant resist shoving an oar in here but ive been following this thread with interest and i think it boils down to two options . Buy a concours winner and believe me if your willing to pay top dollar you will find one.Or buy a good car about fourteen or fifteen grand,one thats bodily and mechanically sound then spend two or three thousand sharpening the car up .Buy new rubbers ,lenses trims maybe get the wheels refurbed,look upon it as a hobby spend some time on it getting it to the condition you want , sort the things that you have mentioned are your biggest concern.Either way its gonna cost money, but remember if its a concours winner you wont be using it much ,you ll be trailering it to shows because you wont want to get the under carriage dirty or de value it by using it . Take my advice and buy a good car and make it better after all thats what most of us on this forum are all about.
Any way thats my tuppenswurth from a 3.2 owner

 

[911sse]

Posted this twice, just to make sure....

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=407550&mpage=1&key=&#407550

 

[George Elliott]

I have noticed that the most careful buyers often end up with the worst cars.
I bought the first one I saw because i knew it was a good one.

The Factory may have something in the museum although it may be pricey and not totally original so you would have to be careful here too. (Note the cars were made without a distributor vent kit, so would it be original enough if this was retrofitted by some YTS in a dealership with a half blunt drill? Be very very careful.)

As stated from the first reply, there is no perfect 964, but if there were to be, it would be 2WD, Manual, a Sunroof Coupe, in white with Black sports seats, Cup 1's, teardrops, sports suspension, and no-air con, cat or radio.

Good luck with your search

George

964
944T

 

[polar964]

Hi Norm, any look with your search?

 

[38F3E1]

I don't think he is still looking from a post he made on another forum.

Ian.