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skye08

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Hi,

I am getting myself wrapped in knots and getting confused re prices and mileage, I have spotted this and made a few enquiries, below is a email reply from the seller.

I am not sure what it all means! Any advice.

Link to car: Green 996

The rebuild with all new and upgraded parts (apart from the block and Pistons as they were fine, they checked for bore scoring and piston deformation which was not evident) included:

Hartech Intermediate shaft
Gasket set including small end and big end bearings
Crankcase bolts
All 5 timing chains
Intermediate shaft tensioner guides
Variocam actuator guide rails
Clutch
Heat shields
Ignition coils


Douglas
 
I'm not trying to be funny or unhelpful but you really need to do a lot more homework on the potential issues with 996s, particularly their engines. There's a lot of stuff out there on problems and various potential solutions.

I am no expert, so wouldn't like to comment on the remedial engine work other than to say sight of the report from however rebuilt it would be useful.
 
Like wise no expert ..the fact Hartech a well respected company has done work the obvious would be to contact them and ask about the car as you have the reg number and was said to have been done on the car .
As to the one shown the colour is not the favourite despite one avid member on here having a GT2 in that colour [;)] I like it different
Savanah is old school but I still like the light colour as opposed to black .Do you want a cab or coupe or are you just wanting any 996 ? A cab for me all the time .
Buy on condition and not on price a car with loads of bills despite high miles is better than low miles and no service history .Good luck on your search and hope you find the right one looking is part of the fun
 
As brian says, hartech are well respected. Colours will restrict your market significantly come resell time. They state in the ad its a new engine, but in your email a rebuild - no big deal except might want to verify how many miles the engine has on it. Is there warranty on the engine? If so the price is proably not far off, if no warranty I'd want it a bit cheaper. On a nice sunny day that could be a nice car for tramping down some country lanes in.
 
I suspect the company that has carried out the maintenance over the last 9 years is, in fact, SCS not AMS. They are local to us and very highly thought of and the owner is a club member too[:)] Nearly all owners in this neck of the woods use either the PC or SCS. So on that score (excuse the pun!) you can at least know the car has been well maintained (well, for the last 9 years at least!)
 
There you go then! member known ...can take some comfort from that .Go and drive it now and see if its for you ,and just in time for the summer
 
Agreed - worth a look even though it's a long haul. It sounds as though the IMS problem has been fixed, and some other expensive jobs have been done. Maybe it's worth getting an independent report on it before you go to Somerset, even at that price? Others may not like the colour scheme but it works for me, and I don't normally like Savannah. A lot of car for the money.
 
Not sure on the colour if I am honest...defo not my favourite anyway!!

With regards to the engine. A rebuild by hartech is a good thing especially with the 3.4 as they were more prone to ims failure I believe. So an upgraded version will be better but not it can still happen again. What is more worring is cracked cylinder liners or bore scoring. As this will cost more than the car is worth to put right.

The car looks sensibly priced with the rebuilt engine but how long ago was this done?

I am in kind of the same predicament as I am thinking about a 997 carrera but not I am not sure because of the known engine issues. If I do decide to get one then I will buy from a dealer only with warranty. After the warranty ends I would trade for another I think. Or another possibility is to get a gen 2 version which have a redesigned engine without the ims or bore problems.

Personally it would scare the hell out of me driving a car that the engine could go wrong at any time and can cost close on 10k to fix. I defo want a warranty!!!

Do a read up on 996/997 ims failures and bore scoring/cracking and you will find some worrying stories. I know there are loads of 996/977 on the road etc and the number of failures is small in comparison but even on hartechs web site they state they build one a week. Couple that with the other specialists and you will see the faults very much exist. It depends if your prepared to risk it I suppose.

A good thing is the rebuild by hartech but find out from them exactly what was done and the likelyhood of future problems.

Make your mind up based on that!!

Tim
 

ORIGINAL: tim_haskins

Not sure on the colour if I am honest...defo not my favourite anyway!!

With regards to the engine. A rebuild by hartech is a good thing especially with the 3.4 as they were more prone to ims failure I believe. So an upgraded version will be better but not it can still happen again. What is more worring is cracked cylinder liners or bore scoring. As this will cost more than the car is worth to put right.

The car looks sensibly priced with the rebuilt engine but how long ago was this done?

I am in kind of the same predicament as I am thinking about a 997 carrera but not I am not sure because of the know engine issues. If I do decide to get one then I will buy from a dealer only with warranty. After the warranty ends I would trade for another I think. Or another possibility is to get a gen 2 version which have a redesigned engine without the ims or bore problems.

Personally it would scare the hell out of me driving a car that the engine could go wrong at any time and can cost close on 10k to fix. I defo want a warranty!!!

Do a read up on 996/997 ims failures and bore scoring/cracking and you will find some worrying stories. I know there are loads of 996/977 on the road etc and the number of failures is small in comparison but even on hartechs web site they state they build one a week. Couple that with the other specialists and you will see the faults very much exist. It depends if your prepared to risk it I suppose.

A good thing is the rebuild by hartech but find out from them exactly what was done and the likelyhood of future problems.

Make your mind up based on that!!

Tim
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Good advise,

I owned two boxsters both with potential issues, but both had low mileage (one was less than a year old) neither gave problems. From an article I read it would appear that anything up to Gen 2 has potential issues, and something like 5% have. The IMS issues can be sorted for a reasonable price pre explosion. The bore scoring and failure on no6 cylinder due to overheating are a bit more difficult.
If your budget is around £10k to £15k, then a 996 or boxster is in the right figure, but perhaps investigate further the cost of having the direct oil feed set up to feed the IMS bearing to give some piece of mind.

regards
Scott
 
I totally agree with Scott,

Obviously he had newish boxsters that would have had some sort of warranty from the manufacturer or garage he bought from ( very sensible!) and judging by his pic he has a gt3rs that does not suffer from these issues nether does the gt3 or turbo variants

Some dealers won't even sell old 996, early boosters or indeed early 997 as all these have potential issues, the early 997 had a single row ims shaft bearing I believe which was updated in 2006 to help with the issue. Yes you can put in a direct feed oil line to the ims but even then your talking at least for the gearbox to be removed to fit. That won't be that cheap cira 1500 pounds I think inc the part. Whilst your there you may as well put new clutch so possibly more like 2k or 1/5 of the value. I spoke with an OPC about this and they mentioned they had changed engines on a number of cars for ims failure and bore scoring/cracking. Porsche used to offer an exchange unit subsidised by them if the car in question had full OPC history and no over revs. Even then the owners had to stump up 8 grand I think (maybe a bit less).

Garages don't want to warranty these cars unless low miles with fsh and even then any good dealer would check the ecu for over revs etc and pass on cars that have these. I know the 996/997 are great cars and I for sure would like to add one to my 964 but not without some sort of warranty. 911 Virgin have nice cars that are all checked and offer a warranty. I think I would pay the extra for piece of mind.

Good luck in your search and sorry if I have put you off a little but it's best to know before you take the plunge and then possibly a hefty bill!

Tim
 
my 964 at weekend, once upon a time these were same price as high mileage 996's, Should of bought more of them [:D]

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Thanks for all the advice, the engine rebuild was in fact due to IMS, the build was done at 20k ago and a new clutch at 98k. I spoke to SCS today who were very helpful and are willing to carry out an independent PPI. He also mentioned a whole raft of things that had been done in the last 3 years, wheels refurb , drop links, track rods, front brakes and callipers (114k), tails pipes , silencers etc. The car is also due its 12 k service at the end of this month.


I previously had boxsters and was not too fussed whether I got a cab or coupe although I do prefer the behind on the cab. For some strange reason I like the color combination ....ohh god I am getting old!

Cheers

 
If i was you with a budget of 10k ish then I would buy a 968 or a 968 cab. Much more reliable and rarer. also more of a chance of getting your money back at the end. i totally understand if you have top have a 911 then fair enough but if it's a good Porsche you want then a 968 is a better buy in my mind.
 
Started reading about bore score now! At this rate I will need to consider paying someone to take my car off my hands!

I keep reading about he IMS issue, but i don't know anyone who it has actually happened to?

 

ORIGINAL: Konkor

Started reading about bore score now! At this rate I will need to consider paying someone to take my car off my hands!

I keep reading about he IMS issue, but i don't know anyone who it has actually happened to?
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I know of two from X club members, one a boxster and one a 997. Also heard a few horror stories about 997's and Boxsters from local independants in/around Glasgow. Repairs have ranged from new engines to new liners/pistons etc.

According to the law suit in the states they were quoting 8% failure. Sounds high, I doubt that is accurate.

Peter Morgan suggest something in the 1 to 2% http://www.porscheinspections.com/content/downloads/M96_M97_GTPorsche.pdf

Best option is Gen 2 on cars as redesign solved the problem, or if budget doesnt run to that consider the option of fitting new bearing and the additional oil feed. Or just accept that the risk is low and if it ever went bang then its a costly repair.

RMS is a much more common problem with they reckon about a third of the cars affected.

Truth is there is a design fault in the engines and you either avoid them totally or accept there is a fault and either pay to have it sorted before it goes bang (around £2k I would expect) or just take the risk as the failure rate is quite low.

regards
Scott.

 
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