John Maddox
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I've had my 993 nearly a year and have spent about £2250 on general repairs, excluding servicing and tyres.
Is this typical, what are you guys spending roughly.
Is this typical, what are you guys spending roughly.
Annual Repair Costs
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Pickled Piper
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I've had mine for 18months and spent £600 on essential but non scheduled maintainence. I've spent more and plan to spend more still on getting it the way I want.
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mike cooper
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I think the cost of maintenance or rather getting a car into what we would regard as tip top condition is not taken into account when we hear about the price of 993's appearing to have dropped slightly over the last 18 months due to the abundance of 996's. Yes for sure there are moderate mileage 993's out there for low to mid £20K's, but how many require no expenditure mechanically whatsoever?
I purchased my late 1994 993 Carrera some three years ago for £29500 with 32000 warranted miles and full OPC service history. There were some 'advice' notes on the last service bill from the main dealer. Three years later and 10,000 miles of use have seen around £5000 of specialist bills (Steve Bull who is highly recommended) including complete renewal of brake discs,pads,clutch etc.
I think that the true picture from all of this is that although some prices have fallen away a good 993 is top condition both mechanically and bodily which does not require any work whatever has to still be worth nearer to £30K than £20K.
Mike Cooper
DMS Automotive
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I purchased my late 1994 993 Carrera some three years ago for £29500 with 32000 warranted miles and full OPC service history. There were some 'advice' notes on the last service bill from the main dealer. Three years later and 10,000 miles of use have seen around £5000 of specialist bills (Steve Bull who is highly recommended) including complete renewal of brake discs,pads,clutch etc.
I think that the true picture from all of this is that although some prices have fallen away a good 993 is top condition both mechanically and bodily which does not require any work whatever has to still be worth nearer to £30K than £20K.
Mike Cooper
DMS Automotive
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John Maddox
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Thanks for the replies Guys - Looks like I am not far out and some of my costs are not likely to be repeated for some time (Clutch).
I have had my 993 4S (August 1997 model) since May 1999. I have the car maintained by Guildford OPC formerly AFN who also looked after my previous 964.
Servicing costs are not cheap (£800 - £1200 pa) - it may be that I would get better value using an independent but Guildford have always looked after me well and the personal service I receive makes the cost in my opinion worthwhile.
In the almost 7 years I have owned the car I have covered 69000 miles and am on my fifth set of rear tyres and fourth set of fronts.
The car has had three new batteries (this is, I believe something of an achilles heal) and it is essential to keep the battery trickle charged if the car is not being regularly used.
More worryingly I have now been advised that my rear shock absorbers and springs require replacement (£1150 +vat) although I have also been told that this is not unusual on a 993 4 S of this age and mileage. I would be interested to hear whether others have had a similar experience to this.
The other issue that concerns me is the frames of the door windows both of which are suffering from increasing corrosion in the corner. One of the frames was repaired as a goodwill gesture by Porsche some three years ago but the corrosion has returned with a vengeance. These frames are not covered by Porsche's twelve year anti corrosion warranty since they are not part of the car bodywork and I am told that the only certain way to cure this problem is to replace both frames at considerable cost. This is not something I am prepared to do. Again I believe this is a weakness with 993's and I would be interested to hear of the experiences of others. In particular could anyone recommend a company or individual able to repair this type of very localised corrosion at reasonable cost. It seems daft to have to replace the entire frame!
Chris
Servicing costs are not cheap (£800 - £1200 pa) - it may be that I would get better value using an independent but Guildford have always looked after me well and the personal service I receive makes the cost in my opinion worthwhile.
In the almost 7 years I have owned the car I have covered 69000 miles and am on my fifth set of rear tyres and fourth set of fronts.
The car has had three new batteries (this is, I believe something of an achilles heal) and it is essential to keep the battery trickle charged if the car is not being regularly used.
More worryingly I have now been advised that my rear shock absorbers and springs require replacement (£1150 +vat) although I have also been told that this is not unusual on a 993 4 S of this age and mileage. I would be interested to hear whether others have had a similar experience to this.
The other issue that concerns me is the frames of the door windows both of which are suffering from increasing corrosion in the corner. One of the frames was repaired as a goodwill gesture by Porsche some three years ago but the corrosion has returned with a vengeance. These frames are not covered by Porsche's twelve year anti corrosion warranty since they are not part of the car bodywork and I am told that the only certain way to cure this problem is to replace both frames at considerable cost. This is not something I am prepared to do. Again I believe this is a weakness with 993's and I would be interested to hear of the experiences of others. In particular could anyone recommend a company or individual able to repair this type of very localised corrosion at reasonable cost. It seems daft to have to replace the entire frame!
Chris
Chris,
My rear shocks, were replaced by the Bournemouth OPC for a very reasonable £300 all in. I can't see that "springs" are that much dearer. I have a 2S by the way, are the 4S rear shocks any different.
Charlie
My rear shocks, were replaced by the Bournemouth OPC for a very reasonable £300 all in. I can't see that "springs" are that much dearer. I have a 2S by the way, are the 4S rear shocks any different.
Charlie
Gordon Attar
New member
Mmmmm...Interesting, a few of you need to start using Northways for some of your work these prices are for a Turbo though
1- Full Service £375 (£700 for nice surroundings and cup of tea is expensive) personal service is FOC at Independants.
2 - Clutch £800
3 - Discs and Pads all round £800
4 - Dampers £80 per corner advised as dont match and I need a tracking done, they said get the tracker to do as he will be almost duplicating the work in there adjusting and undoing everything as part of the adjustments
all plus VAT .
Car bought as seen 6 months ago only spent item 1 plus intending to do 4 soon.
Christopher -Ref suspension PSS-9 route recommended at €2050 Euro for full set from Carnewal(Gert) not much more than rears only and the fronts are the expensive end!!
1- Full Service £375 (£700 for nice surroundings and cup of tea is expensive) personal service is FOC at Independants.
2 - Clutch £800
3 - Discs and Pads all round £800
4 - Dampers £80 per corner advised as dont match and I need a tracking done, they said get the tracker to do as he will be almost duplicating the work in there adjusting and undoing everything as part of the adjustments
all plus VAT .
Car bought as seen 6 months ago only spent item 1 plus intending to do 4 soon.
Christopher -Ref suspension PSS-9 route recommended at €2050 Euro for full set from Carnewal(Gert) not much more than rears only and the fronts are the expensive end!!
Thanks for all the advice - most useful and plenty of food for thought. What seems to be coming across is that as these machines get older with higher mileages the official dealership network becomes less attractive as an option not necessarily just in terms of cost but also flexibility - the idea of non Porsche parts as not only representing better value but giving better results is a good example.
My car is in for these repairs at the moment so they will be carried out. When I receive the invoice I will post full details of all costs on the forum for further discussion.
My car is in for these repairs at the moment so they will be carried out. When I receive the invoice I will post full details of all costs on the forum for further discussion.
The 4S is now restored to full health and is running superbly. The cost of all the works carried out was substantial and other Forum users may be interested in the following breakdown.
4 new Pirelli tyres (285/30/18 N4x2 and225/40/18 N4x2) £884.14
Oil & filter change (Mobil 1) £151.00
Rear shocks x 2 £259.30
Rear coil springs x 2 £393.42
Labour for replacing rear springs and shocks £415.80
Labour for replacing rear suspension arms £178.20
(It appears I wasn't charged for the arms themselves)
Carry out full wheel allignment £250.00
Miscellaneous nuts, collars etc £28.25
VAT (since the Tax Man's shouting cos he wants his dough!) £448.02
Total cost £3008.13
To be honest I cannot comment on whether these works could have been done cheaper elsewhere. What I can say is that they were carried out efficiently, with minimum fuss and the car is running as it should be once again.
All the best
Chris
4 new Pirelli tyres (285/30/18 N4x2 and225/40/18 N4x2) £884.14
Oil & filter change (Mobil 1) £151.00
Rear shocks x 2 £259.30
Rear coil springs x 2 £393.42
Labour for replacing rear springs and shocks £415.80
Labour for replacing rear suspension arms £178.20
(It appears I wasn't charged for the arms themselves)
Carry out full wheel allignment £250.00
Miscellaneous nuts, collars etc £28.25
VAT (since the Tax Man's shouting cos he wants his dough!) £448.02
Total cost £3008.13
To be honest I cannot comment on whether these works could have been done cheaper elsewhere. What I can say is that they were carried out efficiently, with minimum fuss and the car is running as it should be once again.
All the best
Chris
Christopher - a bit of hindsight feedback, if it doesn't upset you too much
Pirelli N4 P Zeros - had all four replaced on my C2... £630
Alignment - had that all-in (proper job)... £70 (less VAT) (i.e. £50 for check, £20 for minor adjustment
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Labour sounds pretty steep, too - it really IS worth finding someone who can do these things at a reasonable cost and it'll still feel marvellous when you get it back! I hope this helps for next time.
P.S. Somebody will probably tell me that I've paid too much as well now!
Pirelli N4 P Zeros - had all four replaced on my C2... £630
Alignment - had that all-in (proper job)... £70 (less VAT) (i.e. £50 for check, £20 for minor adjustment
[&:]
Labour sounds pretty steep, too - it really IS worth finding someone who can do these things at a reasonable cost and it'll still feel marvellous when you get it back! I hope this helps for next time.
P.S. Somebody will probably tell me that I've paid too much as well now!
Christopher - a bit of hindsight feedback, if it doesn't upset you too much
Pirelli N4 P Zeros - had all four replaced on my C2... £630
Alignment - had that all-in (proper job)... £70 (less VAT) (i.e. £50 for check, £20 for minor adjustment
[&:]
Labour sounds pretty steep, too - it really IS worth finding someone who can do these things at a reasonable cost and it'll still feel marvellous when you get it back! I hope this helps for next time.
P.S. Somebody will probably tell me that I've paid too much as well now!
Pirelli N4 P Zeros - had all four replaced on my C2... £630
Alignment - had that all-in (proper job)... £70 (less VAT) (i.e. £50 for check, £20 for minor adjustment
[&:]
Labour sounds pretty steep, too - it really IS worth finding someone who can do these things at a reasonable cost and it'll still feel marvellous when you get it back! I hope this helps for next time.
P.S. Somebody will probably tell me that I've paid too much as well now!
Thanks for the advice and no it doesn't upset me as this is all something of a learning curve.
What appears to be coming through is that OPC's are fine when the car is say under five or six years old. After that however, especially when parts start to need to be replaced there are more cost effective options.
This is probably the million dollar loaded question but does anyone have any ringing endorsements of specialists in the London/Surrey area for these cars. We do appear to be spoiled for choice in terms of numbers but personal recommendations are worth their weight in gold.
Changing the subject, a persistent problem I have had with the 4S concerns sticking brakes. After a journey in the damp or wet the front pads have a tendancy to "glue" themselves to the discs. If the car is driven fairly soon afterwards pad and disc will detach with a loud "clunk". On one occasion however I left the car for about three weeks and the pad and disc simply would not separate. I ended up having to remove the front offside wheel to sort the problem. Is there anything simple that can be done after a journey to prevent this? Unfortunately much driving is done in the wet so this is something of an irritant. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
Chris
What appears to be coming through is that OPC's are fine when the car is say under five or six years old. After that however, especially when parts start to need to be replaced there are more cost effective options.
This is probably the million dollar loaded question but does anyone have any ringing endorsements of specialists in the London/Surrey area for these cars. We do appear to be spoiled for choice in terms of numbers but personal recommendations are worth their weight in gold.
Changing the subject, a persistent problem I have had with the 4S concerns sticking brakes. After a journey in the damp or wet the front pads have a tendancy to "glue" themselves to the discs. If the car is driven fairly soon afterwards pad and disc will detach with a loud "clunk". On one occasion however I left the car for about three weeks and the pad and disc simply would not separate. I ended up having to remove the front offside wheel to sort the problem. Is there anything simple that can be done after a journey to prevent this? Unfortunately much driving is done in the wet so this is something of an irritant. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
Chris
After washing, I usually run back and forth a couple of times, with the foortbrake applied to get rid of the excess wet. Also, I leave the handbrake off in the garage, as this used to stick a bit on my previous SC and has done so on other cars I've had, when left for a bit (it won't roll away as long as your garage is not on a slope!). Bla bla...
In reply to burrow01, yes the alignment was a proper one, incl. kinematic toe; the place was recommended by the Porsche specialist I use. I think you're a bit far away to take advantage of that one, unless you wanted to travel down to Bedfordshire from Rutland!
In reply to burrow01, yes the alignment was a proper one, incl. kinematic toe; the place was recommended by the Porsche specialist I use. I think you're a bit far away to take advantage of that one, unless you wanted to travel down to Bedfordshire from Rutland!
38F3E1
PCGB Member
I wash mine before I take it out for the day rather than before I put it away after a day out. So never have any trouble with brakes sticking, etc. Also what's the point of the car being super clean in the garage (and usually covered in a light coat of dust by the time it comes out). The only thing I'll clean off before it gets put away is stuff that might damage the paint (bird sh*t, horse sh*t, etc).
Ian.
Ian.
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