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Another Silver Rose

babyjack

babyjack

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Another day of browsing the classifieds just out of interest when I saw this,

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1083926.htm

Very,very nice car, but I was under the impression that a Silver Rose didn't have a sunroof? & was MO30 a "rare option" or fitted as standard ? What is a Turbo S/SE anyway?

Now I know that a SR had a silver/pink exterior, with a pink/burgundy studio check (dodgy?)interior,which I like by the way, as I know at a glance it's a SR! I also know that some customers specified alternative options,which is fine too

However,
I'm just getting a little fed up with all these Silver Rose, SE's, Turbo S etc being advertised as such,but being a completely different spec! are they the real deal or what..
Unless your armed with the correct option codes,Vin/engine no's your'e stumped
I even saw a 1986(no, not 1988 onwards) 944 Turbo S2 SE for sale once! thats a confused car if ever I saw one
I just don't know what to believe anymore[:eek:]

P.s, if you are the owner of the car this isn't personal,I think it looks fantastic. Just put the engine serial number on the Ad, it helps)

Rant over, thanks for reading this far
 
This is not a Silver Rose car, I've had one, looking for another and this may have similar spec but it is not the car !
 
Well: theres no such thing as a 'Silver Rose'. It was a 1988 944 Turbo SE and it was principally available in Rose Silver with a red checked trim. All SEs were built with option M030 (which compromises front struts, rear dampers, front ARB, rear ARB, different torque tube, different front hubs and larger brake rotor and calipers all around), although it is relatively rare when you look at all 944s produced. Ive seen a couple of red and black leather 1988 Turbos which have puported to be SE models, but from memory neither had a sunroof.

The fellow seems to be mistaken/mislead over the spec of his car (wheels sizes, caliper source etc); but thats what happens when a rubbish nickname is made up for the model and a myth develops around that.....
 
So it's not an SR? That annoys the he'll out of me!!
Why can't people put down an honest description of what there selling.he's put a premium price on the basis that it's an SR.
I'll spend the rest of the day ranting & annoying the wife now!(she doesn't understand the seriousness of this)
Yours
Angry & confused of Hertfordshire
 
If its a 1988 Turbo originally making 250PS, then it is an SE spec car, irrespective of the paintwork. A 1988 951 produced 220PS. 'Silver Rose' is a misleading nickname and it has no proper meaning and not all SEs were this colour. Confusion can also be caused by Porsche's model year running form September to August: so a 1989 model year car can have have been manufactured and registered in 1988. In that case the car would have had D90s and standard brakes, but the 'correct' items may have been retro-fitted and the owner may not be any wiser. Its hard to find out the facts afterall; with so much nonsense being talked about the 'Silver Rose'.....
 
To be fair he does say SR spec rather actually a SR car. I assume he means it is a 250 with MO30.
The original S cars did not have a sunroof and did have the 250 engine MO3 etc
I would argue that a SE car is a post 88 250 car which came with the bigger turbo etc but not necessarily MO30 - they were an option.
SR cars are that funny spec - pink/silver paint and that awful interior - I think Eclectic cars had one for sale.
Personally its awful!
 
It's frustrating isn't it.

Technically though he isn't calling it a Silver Rose, merely saying that it is a Silver Rose spec. And then going on to say that it has Silver Rose wheels and in fairness they do look like the forged variety

So if I have interpreted this correctly, the Silver Rose was a Turbo in a specific solour/trim combo and came with 250bhp Turbo wheels, then technically his wheels are from a Silver Rose. As is every Turbo SE (probably), although I am going slightly cross eyed getting to this conclusion. And somebody will not doubt tell me that in 1991 they reverted away from forged D90s to basic, albeit wider ones.

I sympathise totally, but some people have a different approach to car ownership and getting the facts right isn't their priority. Putting things like rare MO30 when it's standard on 250bhp cars is a bit naughty, spelling Guards Red wrong however is just plain careless.

A bit like people who sell their Boxter with Zenon lights. Grrr[:mad:]

Anyway you got me looking and and I found this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1081806.htm

Which shows S2 prices heading further south. Hopefully somebody will have been to see and can confirm that it's a total dog, but somehow I doubt it.

 
ORIGINAL: zcacogp
Interesting - what was different about the torque tube on SE-spec cars then? And wasn't it the same as the 250turbo?
Oli.
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Mechanically its similar; the difference (I have it on good authority, as I didnt spend a deal of time under either of mine) is external, at the rear.
 
Itll be easier if you all stop calling the damned things 'Silver Rose'! Its a stupid made up name and it only causes confusion: demonstrated here.
 
ORIGINAL: James_G
I found this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1081806.htm

Which shows S2 prices heading further south. Hopefully somebody will have been to see and can confirm that it's a total dog, but somehow I doubt it.
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It's rusting.
You can tell very little from the photos.
It's red.
You'd need to go to Wales to look at it.

Feel better? [:D]

(In all seriousness, he admits it is under-valued, you really can tell very little from the photos, and the majority of them out there are dogs. You only need to worry about how much any one car is worth when you are buying it or selling it. Get yours onto the A3, with a tank of super, right foot somewhere near the floor and the tacho above 4kRPM and you won't give two hoots about how much your S2 is worth. I garuantee it.!)


Oli.
 
Could you live with that steering wheel? (Ok - it's easy to change) - but remember Oli, only the Turbos hold their value, being by far the more desirable variant. [;)] [:D]
 
To be fair he does say SR spec rather actually a SR car
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My S2 has MO30, shall I advertise it as Silver Rose Spec

Just kidding

I'm with you 944 man, all these different names just confuse matters,that was kind of my point (albeit in a ranty way)
When I refer to a Silver Rose (sorry!) I mean the pinky silver one, not any other colour as its a nickname for the paintwork, isnt it?

From now on I won't call it that any more[;)]
 

ORIGINAL: zcacogp


It's rusting.
You can tell very little from the photos.
It's red.
You'd need to go to Wales to look at it.

Feel better? [:D]

(In all seriousness, he admits it is under-valued, you really can tell very little from the photos, and the majority of them out there are dogs. You only need to worry about how much any one car is worth when you are buying it or selling it. Get yours onto the A3, with a tank of super, right foot somewhere near the floor and the tacho above 4kRPM and you won't give two hoots about how much your S2 is worth. I garuantee it.!)


Oli.
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I do Oli thank you, although the 944 S2 is currently a Hyundai Coupe 2.7 V6 Auto [:(] for the next two days, so the A3 will have to wait...
 
ORIGINAL: James_G
... the 944 S2 is currently a Hyundai Coupe 2.7 V6 Auto [:(] for the next two days, so the A3 will have to wait...
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Flip me - that sounds like a hire car from a garage you shouldn't be patronising! I'm very sorry to hear it. Didn't they have anything better? A Pontiac Aztec? A bicycle? A shetland pony? <ConsidersWriting"A 951"HereButDecidesAgainstIt>. Those coming two days will be painful ones ....

edh - I'm ignoring you. And not on account of the steering wheel comment (which was utterly correct.) [&:]


Oli.
 
The turbo ad says

"You will struggle too find a 944 250bhp turbo in this condition,colour,and with this specification. "

I won't - there's one on my drive [:D] - I'd have thought red/black was a pretty common spec for a 250 turbo. It looks a nice one though, and it's red, which makes it more valuable [:D]
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

I too have owned an '88 SE, although it was a long, long time ago.
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I thought the first 1000 or so 250 bhp cars were painted in the silver rose colour and had the "S" designation ?.
 
To the best of my recollection not all cars were Rose Silver. Mine was, complete with terrible trim and lurid Turbo decal on the OSF wing.
 
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