Another Silver Rose

[Lemon]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

To the best of my recollection not all cars were Rose Silver. Mine was, complete with terrible trim and lurid Turbo decal on the OSF wing.

Not all cars were Silver Rose coloured, correct.

Mine is one of those "Turbo S" cars but was ordered in Nautic Metallic.
The build sheet from Porsche states mine is a:

M758 code Special model Turbo S '88

It came with the "lurid" Turbo decal on the wing, which I have just replaced.

Also came with M462 securiflex windscreen, although mine has had a new screen
so like most that will probably have been replaced.

M220 Locking diff 40%
M030 Sport type chassis
M490 Sound package
M454 Speed control
M685 Split Seats
M573 Aircon

And it has no sunroof and the forged wheels.

Amongst other stuff.

 

[Flick]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

If its a 1988 Turbo originally making 250PS, then it is an SE spec car, irrespective of the paintwork. A 1988 951 produced 220PS. 'Silver Rose' is a misleading nickname and it has no proper meaning and not all SEs were this colour. Confusion can also be caused by Porsche's model year running form September to August: so a 1989 model year car can have have been manufactured and registered in 1988. In that case the car would have had D90s and standard brakes, but the 'correct' items may have been retro-fitted and the owner may not be any wiser. Its hard to find out the facts afterall; with so much nonsense being talked about the 'Silver Rose'.....

Mine is a November 1988 250 with M030, satin black metallic paint and black leather, sunroof, CS alloys and the ten speaker pack. It doesn't mention S or SE on the V5 so I'm assuming the original owner just had damn good taste and deep pockets and ticked the right boxes when speccing his order.

 

[944 man]

Yes, yours is a 'standard' 1989 Turbo. The original owner was probably more than happy to see the specification increase: although the buyer / first owner of mine was less than happy (along with all of the other 250S owners); he was still pissed off in 1993 in fact, when I bought it off him... []

Lemon; I believe that Ive only ever seen Guards/Indisrot cars up until now, although Ive seen '87MY European Turbo Cup cars in a number of other colours. The Turbo decal couldnt be deleted, as far as I recall: it was quite a popular upgrade for others 951s at the time too. It makes me smile to see new owners (usually lifetimesambitioners) deride the decal as 'chavvy' and 'like something from Halfords': not to everyones taste (and certainly not mine - I only left it on because it was original and I had an eye on the eventual sale price), but an original feature none the less.

 

[Gary D]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

ORIGINAL: James_G
I found this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1081806.htm

Which shows S2 prices heading further south. Hopefully somebody will have been to see and can confirm that it's a total dog, but somehow I doubt it.

It's rusting.
You can tell very little from the photos.
It's red.
You'd need to go to Wales to look at it.

Oli.

That S2 has been on P/heads before, & at least one other listing (ebay most likely) I'm looking for one, but it's a long way away for me.
I didn't like the sound of the seat switches not working & he doesn't mention fixing them. Is it difficult, or expensive?

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: babyjack

not all cars were Rose Silver

"Rose Silver", I see what you did there[]

Ive managed to calm down now

Im confused. The official name for the colour is Rose Silver, to the best of my recollection: hence the rubbish and confusing nickname...

 

[pauly]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

  It makes me smile to see new owners (usually lifetimesambitioners) deride the decal as 'chavvy' and 'like something from Halfords': not to everyones taste (and certainly not mine - I only left it on because it was original and I had an eye on the eventual sale price), but an original feature none the less.

Some people took them off with a heat gun []

 

[944 man]

Most by now, I would imagine.

 

[Hilux]

I was under the impression that a Silver Rose didn't have a sunroof

Yup,true.

Mine`s a Silver Rose spec in all but the plaid upholstery and it doesnt have a sunroof. If your has a sunroof its not a `Silver Rose` spec car as you had to pay to have a sunroof delete option IIRC.

I would have paid almost the 10K he wanted about 5 years ago except then when I committed to see it etc he wouldnt reply to my efforts to view it!!!!!!!!!!!.

I`ve seen it for sale a couple of times since then so assume he still punts it about to judge its value.

The reason I think its the same person is that the interior picture is one of the originals 5 years ago.

 

[babyjack]

Im confused.  The official name for the colour is Rose Silver, to the best of my recollection: hence the rubbish and confusing nickname...

Apologies, I just realised you've been calling it rose silver since your first post,I really must stop speed reading![] I didn't know it was that way round.I suppose it makes more sense to say it that way.

 

[jasonp]

hiya james , although said car appears to be a lovely car, as i understand it{imho},a silver rose it is not, maybe a very well spec turbo?.[cheap 944] . i think the present meltdown must have a lot to do with it, i couldnt believe, once i has checked history,bills, etc of my present s2, that i got it so cheaply, yes..i needed to spend money on her, but considering what needed spending against what i paid for her seemed laughable,so far £150 at specialists [for silly niggles] and £400 at body shop for laquer spots on bonnet and pass wing and column plus had headlights painted, looks great but now needs to have front bumper/spoiler and roof as they look slightly faded....so it goes on, to refurb or not to refurb, metal colour crested centres, etc but what fun and not forgetting the total pleasure of driving her, i dont thing these bargain bottom 944s will go on forever, me thinks just a sign of the times regards jason p

 

[Frenchy]

In 1988 Porsche brought out what was supposed to be a limited edition car based on the Turbo Cup car race series in Germany.
They had 250 BHP, Type AOR Gearbox (Case hardened 1st 2nd and 3rd gear clusters) Lighter Glass (Front Windscreen) stiffening gussets in the front chassis legs,adjustable MO30 Koni suspension and thicker roll bars, Brakes from the 928 and forged "Club Sport" wheels along with extra brake cooling ducts.
No Sunroof (but they were available for the American Market).
10 speaker sound system, and Turbo graphic on the front wing which was a delete option.
Split rear seat backs with the nylon luggage cover(not the roller blind type).
Initially the cars came with the pinky silver rose paintwork and Burgundy "Studio" interior, some customers requested they were made available in different trim and colour combinations and Porsche OK'd this so they became available, i know of Red ones Black Ones and White ones along with Zermatt Silver (there may be others).
70 odd were sold in this country but i am not sure if that refers to the purely SR colour ?
SR cars are 88 Registration and it States Turbo S on the V5 logbook, Porsche threw a spanner in the works and made Turbos 250 BHP with the MO30 suspension package and called them the SE in 1989
Then in 1990 all cars were 250 BHP with the option of M030 and CS wheels ie: you had to pay for it.
IMO a true SR car is registered in 88 with the SR paintwork and burgundy interior along with the above spec and states Turbo S on the V5 (the engine run numbers are available elsewhere)
This particular car is mis represented and is indeed a 89 Model Turbo SE with MO30.
I have a feeling he advertised it last year and i quetsioned him via E-Mail about his selling description, long story short he was gonna stuff my V5 up my rear (he was a numpty who struggled to type queens english!)
Not knocking the car but just pisses me off when people who do not know the full story (or maybe do) and pass these cars off for something they are not.[]

 

[944 man]

Jason: I dont mean to appear rude, but have you not read all of the previous posts? Theres no such thing as a 'Silver Rose' so its not possible to either be one, or not. Not all Turbo SEs were Rose Silver, so the colour has little bearing on this.

What it is depends only on its VIN: if its a J then its a 1988 Turbo S and if its a K then its a 1989 model year 250PS 944 Turbo SE.

 

[944Turbo]

They also all have an LSD and aircon. Not heard the torque tube difference before. V5 is an extremely unreliable way of checking - they are notouriously innacurate. SE is also a questionable description - its widely adopted but many say it doesnt exist from the factory.
Sunroofs could be deleted on later cars. Later cars could also have mo30 added. later cars generally had leather and sports seats. my car has the lighter windscreen but probably not original
later cars also had the front chassis braces though to me they look more like crash strengthening than a performance mod - I guess they could be due to the bigger brakes.
Tony

 

[Flick]

Could be useful:

http://www.porschemag.com/render.cfm?source=Op400~Porsche_VIN_Decoder

Mine is a 'K' with serial production number 314.

Every day is a school day.

 

[944 man]

I see that Ive used the suffix 'SE' randomly in my posts on this thread, as a result of rushing and not applying myself. Apologies if Ive added to peoples confusion where Ive been looking to add clarity...

Simon

 

[Guest]

I am going to look at a silver rose that is supposed to be lying derelict in Co.Kildare at the weekend. It isnt in great shape by all accounts and how it came to be there is vague... I havent seen the car but I will take pics of what I find.
It may not be a proper one in fairness but any 944 that I hear about lying like that is worth looking into... !

A fetish I have perhaps....!

 

[NeilW]

As has been mentioned above, the presence of option M758, which denotes "Special Edition 944 Turbo S" on the data plate is the best indication.

 

[jasonp]

hiya mate, thanks for that,now a lot clearer, under no circumstances do i think your "rude" and welcome any corrections to increase my knowledge... but it is slightly confusing as we have members/forum users who own a "silver rose, but thanks again and welcome any criticisms if i state anything not fact... by the way! bought a 959 at auction for £5000, was that a good price ha! ha!

 

[tref]

A real one?!?

 

[Frenchy]

What NeilW said []