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MIKE VERRAN

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Having applied, too enter the national concourse at Porsche & Polo at Kirltington event - Sunday 15th August; I have received a letter today from Harriet Shannon (Concourse co-ordinator), too say that my car (Porsche 996 40th Anniversary 911, 2004), is not eligible due to the fact that it has done 'insufficent miles' (7950 miles). What a joke! Does the club want our cars to be at this event or not! [:mad:]

 
Does the club want our cars to be at this event or not!
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Of course your car is wanted at the event.

Unfortunately your Porsche did not meet the criteria laid down in the national concours Rules and Regulations. Secondly, your entry form was received after the closing date and was too late.

Harriet
 
If the form was late then i will blame the postoffice and take it on the nose,however the mileage rule wants looking at as i have seen battered cars with 10000 miles on the clock and imaculate cars with ten times that figure,if the weathers good i will be there anyway.
 
I don't do Concours events anymore!
I had a 944 Turbo and thought I'd enter R19's concours, when I got there, there was only two of us with front engine Porsches so we got lumped into the 'water cooled class'.
1st place was the Yellow GT2 that wins all evens.
2nd place was a three month old 997
3rd place was a 996 that was purchased from Porsche main dealer that week.

We had no chance, both of us with over 100k on the clock and our daily drives.

had a great day out though and gives you a chance to give your car a good clean.

Good Luck!!!
 
Not the same for all regions - see the winner here![;)]

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=554302
 
I personally think there should be a "car has to be at least 10 years old" rule on concours entries rather than a mileage criteria.

Just my opinion.

Ian.
 
Why? My 2002 C4S has done 57k miles, 25k of which in one year. Hardly a pampered garage bunny, but one that has now been retired from commuting duties and I wouldn't mind getting it spruced up for showing.

At the end of the day, concours is a competition based on prepping and condition.

I remember being beaten a few years ago by a 10 year old, but 4000 mile 3.2. speedster which had clearly never seen mud in its life!
 
Because in my opinion it takes 10 years for stuff like rubber etc to degrade. Someone with a 2 year old car will always have an advantageous starting point from someone with an older car. There is so much that wears out on a car that is not mileage related but age and sunshine related. But then it gets contentious when you start talking about restorations ....

I think this is only a problem with the 'street concours' concept where I do believe newer cars or museum type cars have an advantage. Full concours is so in depth that in essence the playing field has been levelled by the hours and detail required to win.

It's always put me off entering street concours competitions when I am up against a 2 year old car but you are right a 4000 mile 3.2 speedster that's never been outside is hardly fair in a street concours either.

Ian.
 


I agree just because your car has low mileage I don't think you should be excluded.

We run our Regional concours on the following lines

Pre 1980 class
1980's Class
1990's Class
2000 on Class
Visitors class (all visitors lumped in together regardless of year)

Members and families then vote for the car which they like the best by class placing them 1st 2nd or 3rd regardless of water or air cooled.






 
I personally think there should be a "car has to be at least 10 years old" rule on concours entries rather than a mileage criteria.
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In the National Concours Rules and Regulations, there are both age and mileage bonus points!!

Harriet
 

ORIGINAL: millisland

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In the National Concours Rules and Regulations, there are both age and mileage bonus points!!

Harriet
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Having applied, too enter the national concourse at Porsche & Polo at Kirltington event - Sunday 15th August; I have received a letter today from Harriet Shannon (Concourse co-ordinator), too say that my car (Porsche 996 40th Anniversary 911, 2004), is not eligible due to the fact that it has done 'insufficent miles' (7950 miles). What a joke! Does the club want our cars to be at this event or not!
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I still dont understand. In view of Harriet's comment above (and had your entry been on time) why you car could not enter the concours[&:]
 
Just looking at the Pride of Ownership Concours regs for Castle Combe on the 30th, point 2.5 says:
To enter this competition:
(a) vehicles registered prior to 2000 must have covered a minimum of 30,000 miles
OR
(b) vehicles registered in 2000 or later must have covered a minimum of 3,000 miles a year

so assuming the regs are the same, there's the answer.

 
Thanks Peter, and there is a bit more which is in the National Concours Rules and Regulations that may answer some queries, please see below:

4.1.5. Applies to Premier Class and Pride of Ownership Class only. To enter this competition:

(a)Vehicles registered prior to 2000 must have covered a minimum of 30,000 recorded miles.
OR
(b)Vehicles registered in 2000 or later must have covered a minimum of 3,000 miles a year.

Vehicles under one year old and with less than 3,000 recorded miles will not be eligible to enter the competition.

Mike Verran's Porsche is a 2004 996 (6 years old) and had according to his application form for concours "Mileage to date 7,900".

Harriet
 
I like a clean car myself as many of you that know me and my Porsches know.
But I think serious Concours can cause lots of problems and bitter feeling amongst
members having seen it time and time again.
Personally I can't be bothered polishing nuts and bolts or even replacing parts.
Eventhough I am a Valeter&Detailer.
I think the fun show and shine days are great .Not taken too serious at all.
And for those of us that use our cars for events and WOTYS home and abroad
we don't get too stressed about Concours.
Moral is clean but don't become too obsessed with cleaning that you fear using your Porsche.
Just enjoy. [:D]
Cliff.
 
ORIGINAL: CLIFFWILKINS

I like a clean car myself as many of you that know me and my Porsches know.
But I think serious Concours can cause lots of problems and bitter feeling amongst
members having seen it time and time again.
Personally I can't be bothered polishing nuts and bolts or even replacing parts.
Eventhough I am a Valeter&Detailer.
I think the fun show and shine days are great .Not taken too serious at all.
And for those of us that use our cars for events and WOTYS home and abroad
we don't get too stressed about Concours.
Moral is clean but don't become too obsessed with cleaning that you fear using your Porsche.
Just enjoy. [:D]
Cliff.
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Couldn't agree more Cliff and provides an excellent opportunity for a gratuitous plug for the R3 Show and Shine at Raby Castle on the 19th Sptember.
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=567106

all shapes, sizes, colours, ages and mileages welcome[;)]
 
ORIGINAL: CLIFFWILKINS

I like a clean car myself as many of you that know me and my Porsches know.
But I think serious Concours can cause lots of problems and bitter feeling amongst
members having seen it time and time again.
Personally I can't be bothered polishing nuts and bolts or even replacing parts.
Eventhough I am a Valeter&Detailer.
I think the fun show and shine days are great .Not taken too serious at all.
And for those of us that use our cars for events and WOTYS home and abroad
we don't get too stressed about Concours.
Moral is clean but don't become too obsessed with cleaning that you fear using your Porsche.
Just enjoy. [:D]
Cliff.
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I totally agree. These cars were meant to be driven and enjoyed! I like a clean car too, but Im sure if I went down this route I'd be afraid to use it
 


The club is a pretty Broad Church and as such I would have thought that a sliding scale of reduction in points could be operated in order that all owners could enter should they wish - For instance:- A member could work abroad and only use his car when he returns to the UK thus the car would have low mileage.

ie If the bar was set a 3.000 pa and a car was ten years old for every 1k miles under the 30K a point could be de deducted.

To make things fair

A car in the same class that had done 65K would have done 35K over the 30K bar and as such would have added 35 points to it total score.



So come on you guys get drving - less polishing and you can still come up with the same points total.[;)]

P.S. Our Regional Concours (R24) A three day old drop dead gorgeous GT3RS blue with silver scripts entered our concours and was not even in the top three[:(]
 
The club is a pretty Broad Church and as such I would have thought that a sliding scale of reduction in points could be operated in order that all owners could enter should they wish - For instance:- A member could work abroad and only use his car when he returns to the UK thus the car would have low mileage.

ie If the bar was set a 3.000 pa and a car was ten years old for every 1k miles under the 30K a point could be de deducted.

To make things fair

A car in the same class that had done 65K would have done 35K over the 30K bar and as such would have added 35 points to it total score.
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John

As I have already pointed out in the National Concours R& R there are age and mileage bonus points!!!

Harriet
 
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