Big bill for my car!
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Interesting read guys - now looks like the 'how 944 owners justify the car to themselves' thread, and I'm not being funny. It is difficult for me to justify it, as one more big bill and it'd have to go sadly. I'm just enjoying the fact that I'm driving something that listed about £40k new and offered one of the best driving experiences in the car universe only a few years ago. (obviously meaning it still sets a bloodyy high standard now!)
To add, I think this is spot on thinking
Chris.
To add, I think this is spot on thinking
250bhp+, superlative handling, light, RWD, LSD coupe - when I looked - there wasn't a lot out there. I thought about an Exige, but it was out of my price range and for most it would be too hardcore. A Cayman S has only just filled the niche IMHO...
Chris.
Gordon Attar
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Ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a bit unnecessary from an asst secretary of PCGB, perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to what it is, something british by any chance!
I think all John is suggesting is that not all Porsche owners are wannabe 911 owners and the 944 is not just a stepping stone to a "real" Porsche for everyone. Personally despite having lusted over the 911 since I was around 12 I have now had 3 and I honestly don't know if I'll ever have another. Right now I have no desire to anyway.
In terms of the 964 I felt it was closer in driving experience to the S2 than an older 911. It was the lack of feeling of weight behind that I didn't like. Let's face it an air-cooled 911 is an early 60's package that has been refined and refined, but when it has got to the point of driving like an "ordinary" car then what is the point of it? It's just a small, badly laid out, cramped, poorly ventilated, noisy car with a shocking driving position (in RHD at least) that has an image that writes cheques the engine can't cash in most cases. The 964 had disappointing steering feel (for a 911), far too understeery biased handling, a stab at modern instruments and heater controls and wasn't even as aurally pleasing as I remember my 3.2 being. Add to that the fact it had insufficient grunt to set it apart from a modern hot-hatch and I felt it was pointless. I'd have been far, far happier with a nice older 911 with the proper waggy tail.
In terms of the 964 I felt it was closer in driving experience to the S2 than an older 911. It was the lack of feeling of weight behind that I didn't like. Let's face it an air-cooled 911 is an early 60's package that has been refined and refined, but when it has got to the point of driving like an "ordinary" car then what is the point of it? It's just a small, badly laid out, cramped, poorly ventilated, noisy car with a shocking driving position (in RHD at least) that has an image that writes cheques the engine can't cash in most cases. The 964 had disappointing steering feel (for a 911), far too understeery biased handling, a stab at modern instruments and heater controls and wasn't even as aurally pleasing as I remember my 3.2 being. Add to that the fact it had insufficient grunt to set it apart from a modern hot-hatch and I felt it was pointless. I'd have been far, far happier with a nice older 911 with the proper waggy tail.
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I believe that the press was not very impressed by these traits when it first came out either, or at least I read something like that from an old Autocar issue anyway, which also said that the C2 was better.
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Will be chatting to Northways again tomorrow (they've been brilliant with me so far in checking the car out) to understand more about the full costs for all the work required (as opposed to the estimates). The mechanic doing the work was off today so they have not started as yet. I'll then need to plan out the remaining work over the next 12 months.
My wallet will definitely need a rest! Again, I am looking forward to putting faces to the names on this forum at future Porsche meets. Take care guys.
My wallet will definitely need a rest! Again, I am looking forward to putting faces to the names on this forum at future Porsche meets. Take care guys.
Hmmm, and I still think that a 993 is the most beautiful car ever made, but maybe the beauty is only skin-deep. (See my earlier comments about a VW Eos.)
How much of these handling traits (understeery) can be rectified by a different geometry set-up? Did you have a friday-afternoon example?
I have to say tho' Fen, I do love your comments about later 911's. I am SORELY tempted to copy them on verbatim to my old Boss, who took some pride in the fact that he had a (ropey) 996 C2 cab and I "only" had a 944. (He never ceased to believe that it had a Ford engine either, or appeared not to. I think I am justified in calling him a complete Onanist. If this is the attitude that 911-ownership engenders, I shall make a vow here and now never to own one, ever.)
Oli.
Understeery is down to 4wd I believe. Is it better on the 993? I don't know. Is it better on the 996? I don't care [
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I had mine set up to RS geometry settings and a siffer rear ARB to try to quell it. It was still understeery after that.
Don't get me wrong though; I like the torsion sprung 911's, they just aren't that fast.
]I had mine set up to RS geometry settings and a siffer rear ARB to try to quell it. It was still understeery after that.
Don't get me wrong though; I like the torsion sprung 911's, they just aren't that fast.
Hilux
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Mercedes and Porsche as a rule of thumb deduct £1 per mile depreciation so as long as you drive however many miles the repairs cost the rest of the year is free [
][][]Seriously though people will baulk at paying an £800 bill for anything yet their new cars are losing hundreds a month sitting on their drives.
On another topic I love seeing £70,000 Mercs etc with £25 steering locks for added protection [8|][8|][8|]
beavercraig
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Just remember if God drove he would drive a 911, probably a GT3. If he rode, he would ride a Ducati!. [
][]Everything else is a volkswagen[:-][:-]
ORIGINAL: beavercraig
Just remember if God drove he would drive a 911, probably a GT3. If he rode, he would ride a Ducati!. [
That wasn't the impression I got the last time I spoke to him.
Fen is right - after 6+ years of Porsche ownership the whole "Porsche" aura has more than worn off. The 944 is a great car despite the badge.
In my ultimate garage (blokes like lists) in addition to a rebodied new/modern/upgraded components 944 I would perhaps have a GT3R for track days but nothing else in the current Porsche range floats my boat. If there was a true beefed up Cayman CSRSGTRR I would, without hessitation, choose that over a GT3R.
With regards to big bills - the 944 Turbo was an 80's Supercar - they ain't meant to be cheap.
Ooooooh, I like that game!
Come on, what are the rules? Limited on numbers or on price? Or completely unlimited?
Mine:
UR Quattro 20v
Citroen DS (possibly SM if someone else pays the bills to fix it)
Mk1 Golf GTi Campaign
E39 M5
Series 2 Landrover 88 wheelbase
Original Austin Mini
Possibly 101fc Landie
Some crotch-rocket sportbike (for when I learn to ride them.)
Yours?
Oli.
Mr968
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I look at my car(968) as a thing of pleasure rather than as an accounts procedure, the fact that it costs money to maintain is more than outweighed by the enjoyment that I get from it. Having said that I know that had I bought say a Mondeo on a lease, I would be paying lots of interest, the servicing costs would be similar if I took it to a Ford dealer. The Ford wouldn't have the prestige, it would lose money every year, doesn't look as nice, wouldn't give the same pleasure when driving, wouldn't have the same social side to it. etc. etc. So if you have opted for Porsche ownership, consider what the actual cost is over the years of ownership then compare it with a new family saloon.
My 968 comes out top every time. If I didn't have the 968 my choices would be Cayman(if I could afford it) or 944(preferably S2(had one before the 968s))
So chin up, you have a great car, just keep it great.[]
Cheers,
Stuart.
My 968 comes out top every time. If I didn't have the 968 my choices would be Cayman(if I could afford it) or 944(preferably S2(had one before the 968s))
So chin up, you have a great car, just keep it great.[
]Cheers,
Stuart.
Gordon Attar
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Chaps, please note my everyday driver is actually 944 Turbo S and I would have been quite happy to have had another 944S2, yes I did use it as a stepping stone first time around thats because I was using my car allowance to climb the range to my current ultimate target which happened to be a 993TT which I arrived at 3 years early!
and I would quite gladly have another 964, yes the driving position is poor compared to the 944 but it doesnt take long to get used to it(not an issue in LHD), they should always have a strut brace to help with the indersteer and either a cat bypass or cup pipe to here the lovely engine and there is plenty there to take care of the hot hatches.
Neil Haughey
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Have to say I am with John and Fen on this one. This is why I have had the same S2 for nearly 7 years now. Whisper it but I decided a long time ago that the only early 90's supercar for me would be the NSX, the only down side is the feel of the interior. I would even get the feeling that my hero Senna had sat in the same seat (well sort of).When the price on the 3.2 6 speed ones comes down a bit and I have the space I may get one as my "special" car. Seriously anyone who knocks the NSX is a tool IMHO. Otherwise I have always lusted after a pre74 911 as an occasional car and garage queen in the same way that you know that if you bought an old mini it would be huge fun to hoon about in.ORIGINAL: John Sims
ORIGINAL: beavercraig
Just remember if God drove he would drive a 911, probably a GT3. If he rode, he would ride a Ducati!. [
That wasn't the impression I got the last time I spoke to him.
Fen is right - after 6+ years of Porsche ownership the whole "Porsche" aura has more than worn off. The 944 is a great car despite the badge.
In my ultimate garage (blokes like lists) in addition to a rebodied new/modern/upgraded components 944 I would perhaps have a GT3R for track days but nothing else in the current Porsche range floats my boat. If there was a true beefed up Cayman CSRSGTRR I would, without hessitation, choose that over a GT3R.
With regards to big bills - the 944 Turbo was an 80's Supercar - they ain't meant to be cheap.
Neil Haughey
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but you can always do similar stuff to S2/951/968 like put much stiffer suspension on and the improvement in on-track capability is almost scary. This is why so many ppl mod the 951. The basics are all there already. A modified 951 is pretty awesome. I am not the only one on this group who has a strong feeling that Porsche down graded the front engined series cars. Just look at how mega soft the suspension is on the S2! it is about the same as my old Saab 900 (1340 Kg) was on basic settings, even Saab's sport package had harder springs then M030 or the late 951/968 cars!
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