Brake Discs

[PAUL RUDDY]

Gents, is there a difference of disc between cars with or without ABS ?

The PET that I have referenced shows only one part number for 87 onwards, 2.5 Lux, yet several of the known UK based Porsche specialist suppliers list ABS disc but not a non ABS ??

The Porsche part number when put into EBay pulls up various discs listed for 944's including the ones advertised by the UK suppliers but none of them fit my car when it's details are added as a ref check

So, 1988 2.5 8v non ABS, what front and rear discs do I need and where from ?

Cheers, Paul

 

[Tommys86]

Guessing the narrower ones are the fit for you (on the left)... I'd imagine the disc body is bigger to get around with the ABS "gubbins"

Not sure if ECP is local to you but I'd take one in hand to check there and then, if you do order - do it online, click & collect, and wait for their 25% / 30% discount codes which seem to come up every other week!

Cheers,

Tom

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

I thought the narrower ones were for early offset cars upto 86.

Will get them taken off and measured up to be sure.

Paul

 

[edh]

I didn't know there was a non-ABS '88 model - was it an option?

I thought that the late offset cars had ABS & the early offset ones didn't? (No doubt Simon will be a long soon to provide the precise detail.. )

 

[Frenchy]

Narrow discs for non abs early offset cars fella.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

I didn't know there was a non-ABS '88 model - was it an option?

I thought that the late offset cars had ABS & the early offset ones didn't? (No doubt Simon will be a long soon to provide the precise detail.. )

Yes, ABS was an option and the original owner of my car didn't tick the box !

 

[944 man]

Confusion comes from the later offset cars being referred to as 'ABS cars' despite the fact that few had ABS.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

Confusion comes from the later offset cars being referred to as 'ABS cars' despite the fact that few had ABS.

Thanks Simon

 

[PSH]

IMHO better to have non-ABS... if the ABS comes on you've already taking longer to stop than you should, I have never locked up my brakes in 17 years of driving it, some of which (early years) was very spirited, oh and it weighs less too....

 

[Waylander]

looking at PET

Front

1988 944,944s shows two disks

-86 477 405 083 D

87- 944 351 041 05

rears

-86 944 352 041 02

87- 944 352 041 03

 

[zcacogp]

IMHO better to have non-ABS... if the ABS comes on you've already taking longer to stop than you should, I have never locked up my brakes in 17 years of driving it, some of which (early years) was very spirited, oh and it weighs less too....

Flip side of that comment is that those who are less-skilled but daft enough to drive their cars all year 'round find the ABS useful. It's saved the paint and panelwork at the front of my S2 on more than one occasion. (I should add some comment about the superior performance of the S2 over the turbo being to blame here but I won't, although I will add that both ice and wet leaves are remarkably slippery substances when encountered on road surfaces.)

Oli.

 

[GlennS]

The ABS on my S2 saved the life of a small dog when I was on the way to the 911 and Porsche World picnic at Mapledurham this year. Whether that is worthwhile depends on how you feel about small dogs.

My 2.7 also has ABS but has not encountered a dog during my ownership.

 

[PSH]

IMHO better to have non-ABS... if the ABS comes on you've already taking longer to stop than you should, I have never locked up my brakes in 17 years of driving it, some of which (early years) was very spirited, oh and it weighs less too....

(I should add some comment about the superior performance of the S2 over the turbo being to blame here but I won't, although I will add that both ice and wet leaves are remarkably slippery substances when encountered on road surfaces.)

Oli.

haha.... we don't want to go back into that subject do we oli?...anyway my point was...if your ABS comes on you are taking longer to stop than you would do if braking properly, I except the argument about steering around an obstacle but again if in full control you should be able to do this too even with all wheels locked up and heading sideways to the obstacle blocking the way... been there, done that, got the T-shirt and came out without out hitting anything.. i will add though that I wasn't in the 944, I was in my company car at the time,a VW golf, it was peeing down with rain and some moron turned across me 'right to left' on a dual carriageway....way out is to hit brakes while turning wheel to the right right, the wheels naturally lock as there's no braking distance to speak off, wait till the car is angled and wheels heading away from impact and at the last second release brakes..car shoots to the right and misses the moron who's in the middle of the road, catch it, straighten up and continue on one's way...simple...

 

[zcacogp]

haha.... we don't want to go back into that subject do we oli?...anyway my point was...if your ABS comes on you are taking longer to stop than you would do if braking properly, I except the argument about steering around an obstacle but again if in full control you should be able to do this too even with all wheels locked up and heading sideways to the obstacle blocking the way... been there, done that, got the T-shirt and came out without out hitting anything.. i will add though that I wasn't in the 944, I was in my company car at the time,a VW golf, it was peeing down with rain and some moron turned across me 'right to left' on a dual carriageway....way out is to hit brakes while turning wheel to the right right, the wheels naturally lock as there's no braking distance to speak off, wait till the car is angled and wheels heading away from impact and at the last second release brakes..car shoots to the right and misses the moron who's in the middle of the road, catch it, straighten up and continue on one's way...simple...

Your driving skills are better than mine, clearly! []

 

[PSH]

shame I didn't have a dash cam in those days...the look on the guys face was priceless.....I was a rep back then and covered many thousands of miles each year....I'm more mellow these days, or as SWMBO likes reminding me 'I drive like an old man'....

Pete

 

[jasonp]

The ABS on my S2 saved the life of a small dog when I was on the way to the 911 and Porsche World picnic at Mapledurham this year. Whether that is worthwhile depends on how you feel about small dogs.

My 2.7 also has ABS but has not encountered a dog during my ownership.

Nice one Glen,,,,

saving a doggie from being mush,,,,

Totally worthwhile,,pets are family members ,,

i have a few relatives if you really want to check out your abs[],,,,jasonp

 

[924Srr27l]

IMHO better to have non-ABS... if the ABS comes on you've already taking longer to stop than you should, I have never locked up my brakes in 17 years of driving it, some of which (early years) was very spirited, oh and it weighs less too....

(I should add some comment about the superior performance of the S2 over the turbo being to blame here but I won't, although I will add that both ice and wet leaves are remarkably slippery substances when encountered on road surfaces.)

Oli.

haha.... we don't want to go back into that subject do we oli?...anyway my point was...if your ABS comes on you are taking longer to stop than you would do if braking properly, I except the argument about steering around an obstacle but again if in full control you should be able to do this too even with all wheels locked up and heading sideways to the obstacle blocking the way... been there, done that, got the T-shirt and came out without out hitting anything.. i will add though that I wasn't in the 944, I was in my company car at the time,a VW golf, it was peeing down with rain and some moron turned across me 'right to left' on a dual carriageway....way out is to hit brakes while turning wheel to the right right, the wheels naturally lock as there's no braking distance to speak off, wait till the car is angled and wheels heading away from impact and at the last second release brakes..car shoots to the right and misses the moron who's in the middle of the road, catch it, straighten up and continue on one's way...simple...

What year was the Golf?

R

 

[PSH]

Hmm...memory not that great but i left ICI in late 89 and this particular event happened long before i quit....at a guess I would say between 83 and 85....

 

[924Srr27l]

Hmm...memory not that great but i left ICI in late 89 and this particular event happened long before i quit....at a guess I would say between 83 and 85....

MK2 then,

Since ABS cars had ESP technology thousands of fatalities have been saved, you may remember the issues Mercedes had with the first A class

that Rolled over when pushed at 40mph? they Recalled over 100,000 of them and fitted ESP to cure the issue.

ABS works well for a lot of people that panic and push and hold the brake pedal in an incident as the Electronics will react and cadence brake far quicker

than any human, ESP is opposite and this technology went one step further locking individual brakes to avoid a spinning and / or rolling.

Modern systems even adjust the bias in milliseconds and brake in corners, and the new 911 has rear steering! although my old 86' 928 V8 had that too!



R

 

[zcacogp]

i have a few relatives if you really want to check out your abs[],,,,jasonp

Naughty! []