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C2 or S ?

c'mon adrian
you know its more than the badge[:D]

the gen 1 "s"was far superior and the extras over the 2 actually cost more than the price difference.ok so not all the extras were necessary but most were.
i agree with jonathan that the gen 2 is more difficult to justify.however take a long test drive in both and you will be left in no doubt which you want!!!the "s"is now nearly in TT territory,especially with pdk(imo)
 
ORIGINAL: adrian996

I think that there are two questions to ask yourself here....

1. How many 997 C2 cars can you find for sale anywhere these days? Not many, eh?

2. What's the reason for this?

Answer: The last 5 or so years have been (economically) great and anyone who was in the market for a new 911 during these times was only ever going to do one thing - opt for the "S". Why? Simple. Because it meant that they would have an "S" on the arse end of their car and a slightly wider body.
The 3.6 is a better and more reliable engine - end of. When are you ever going to benefit from .2 of a second improvement from 0-60 miles an hour on British (or European) roads? You never will. BUT - you'll always be feeling that little bit better about yourself when you see someone else with simply the word "Carrera" on the back of their car instead of "Carrera S".

I would say that the 997 (Version 1) and 997 (Version 2) 3.6 litre is always a better car. It's only snobbery that'll get the better of you.
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I disagree. I'd say the logic was more like why would I buy a 997 Carrera when the power output is nearly identical to the power output of my outgoing 996. I'm better off getting the 'S' which is giving me a good power upgrade (£ for £ as upgrades go) and I get some extras thrown in. I'm also top of the carrera pile because I have an 'S' on the back.

It's not all just about kudos though. If you can afford it, why not get the better/faster/more powerful model? What makes the 'S' less reliable than the Carrera?

If you're going to get a sports car, I don't get the logic of less powerful and slower is better, no matter what the margin of power or speed is.
Of course you can't use most of the power/speed, but that never stopped people buying turbos or GT3s only to use them on the roads.

I guess it all boils down to whether the extra money is worth it to you for the benefits. And that decision is different for everyone, but if budget allows, I'd always rather have the more powerful model. All IMO.

 
Another vote for the 's'. The C2 and C2S are the same body size. The C4/C4S is 44mm wider accross the back.

Aside from bigger engine, more power etc, you get better brakes with the distinctive red callipers over black ones, PASM as standard as are Xenons. White dials, alu look door inserts. Much better desireability on re-sale. Look at the difference between a 996 C4 and C4S in re-sale values over a period of time to get a comparison. (they didn't do a C2S 996).

There are some good value cars out there. I always believe not to buy the cheapest on the market. Sometimes worth spending another few K for a car that has had it's service, a few less miles, more options and better condition.
 
Hi Bryan. Well I think that you'd have to agree that it's pretty evident how some people get a tad territorial when it comes to their cars and their options lists...[:D] Anyway, if I remember rightly, you're not actually buying a new car - which strengthens your position even more if you did end up getting a 997 C2. The reason for this is simply that 90% of 997C2's were spec'd with most (if not all) of the main bits that a standard 997C2S has anyway (PASM, Litronic lights, 19 inch wheels, etc.). In fact, I'd say that you'd be hard pressed to find a C2 without most of the same spec on a C2S. And I'm certain that I don't have to tell you that in this economic climate you'll make an absolute killing on a used one! Ask any OPC dealer their opinion and they'll tell you that the C2S is more desirable - they're right, they are, to some. But are they better in the real world? Not that much.
Don't believe the hype, Bryan. This emperor real is naked![;)]

Adrian.
 
ORIGINAL: adrian996

Hi Bryan. Well I think that you'd have to agree that it's pretty evident how some people get a tad territorial when it comes to their cars and their options lists...[:D] Anyway, if I remember rightly, you're not actually buying a new car - which strengthens your position even more if you did end up getting a 997 C2. The reason for this is simply that 90% of 997C2's were spec'd with most (if not all) of the main bits that a standard 997C2S has anyway (PASM, Litronic lights, 19 inch wheels, etc.). In fact, I'd say that you'd be hard pressed to find a C2 without most of the same spec on a C2S. And I'm certain that I don't have to tell you that in this economic climate you'll make an absolute killing on a used one! Ask any OPC dealer their opinion and they'll tell you that the C2S is more desirable - they're right, they are, to some. But are they better in the real world? Not that much.
Don't believe the hype, Bryan. This emperor real is naked![;)]

Adrian.
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Hi Adrian

Yes your right I am looking an second hand or if your posh pre owned.
Yes its a great time to buy, dealers are bending over back wards to sell, Its a case of getting the best deal. Dealers to my south seem to be doing the better deals but I have to consider the travel and aftersales service.
The C2 I am looking at looks to be in better condition than most of the C2S's but there are more C2S's around.
The choice appears to be growing by the day and its a case of knowing just when to put the money down.
I think if I can find a one owner low mileage 2004, 5 or 6 "S" I could deal around the same price as the 2005 C2 it would be worth more in the years to come.
Also I am only looking at OPC as I believe its the only place to purchase a car of this value for many reasons, and yes I know some of you will disagree.
 
Bryan. THIS CAR IS SOLD! - But I just wanted to show it to you as, what I think, is a great example. Look at that mileage! And PCCB!!!

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/PORSCHE+911/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-39-148-162-184-240-4294967042-4294967213/advert.action?R=200840319965920&distance=153&postcode=SA2+8DS&channel=CARS&make=PORSCHE&model=911&min_pr=35000&max_pr=50000&max_mileage=20000

Adrian.
 
ORIGINAL: adrian996

Bryan. THIS CAR IS SOLD! - But I just wanted to show it to you as, what I think, is a great example. Look at that mileage! And PCCB!!!

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/PORSCHE+911/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-39-148-162-184-240-4294967042-4294967213/advert.action?R=200840319965920&distance=153&postcode=SA2+8DS&channel=CARS&make=PORSCHE&model=911&min_pr=35000&max_pr=50000&max_mileage=20000

Adrian.
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Fliping eck, thats a lot of car for that money.
 

ORIGINAL: dyllan

c'mon adrian
you know its more than the badge[:D]

!the "s"is now nearly in TT territory,especially with pdk(imo)
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You must be referring to the Audi TT,[;)]

 

ORIGINAL: Hannu

ORIGINAL: adrian996

Bryan. THIS CAR IS SOLD! - But I just wanted to show it to you as, what I think, is a great example. Look at that mileage! And PCCB!!!

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/PORSCHE+911/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-39-148-162-184-240-4294967042-4294967213/advert.action?R=200840319965920&distance=153&postcode=SA2+8DS&channel=CARS&make=PORSCHE&model=911&min_pr=35000&max_pr=50000&max_mileage=20000

Adrian.
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Fliping eck, thats a lot of car for that money.
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...Yeah, Bryan, it certainly is! And I'm gutted that it's gone......[:(]
 
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ORIGINAL: dyllan

c'mon adrian
you know its more than the badge[:D]

!the "s"is now nearly in TT territory,especially with pdk(imo)
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You must be referring to the Audi TT,[;)]
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having back to back tested cayman(non s)and a tt quattro 3.2 i can assure you not[:D]
wouldnt compare the audi to even a base boxster !!
 
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