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Can someone please explain the Scotland forum changes?

Paul
Who are these few members you talk about certainly no one on this forum up to know wants to see 2 section's so just put it back to the way it was and we will police it ourselves if some one is getting out of hand we will send round the boys and give them a Glasgow kiss ......this is a situation that should not have occurred if the powers that be had taken notice of the issues that where concerning members of this region ,,,so let us end this once and for all and get back to what the forum is all about interaction between consulting adults .So please no more thank you
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Hi Brian,

The reason for the changes were that it wasn't being moderated?

I'm not going to name the people who've contacted me to offer their support as they chose to contact me privately. If you feel the forum needs to be changed then I suggest a good place to start would be your RO or his assistant, it's primarily their decision how their forum runs and we only administer it. Even though we take the flak when changes are made! [:eek:]

As far as I'm aware you are the only person who feels that non-members should have access to the Region's forum as they only need to see dates of events, available on the website or through the RO and his assistant. If there is a huge majority of members who disagree with this then we need to know so please PM me or Ash.


 
That seems a little counter-intuitive to me though. My instinct would be to click Regions, select my region, and then see what was going on near me. That's the part that's hidden behind the wall, so to speak. A non-member can't see anything filed under Regions"”so they can't even find out where their local club meetings are, for instance. I'd say that's a pretty vital thing to tell prospective members, so they can go along and find out whether membership's for them or not. I certainly wouldn't join a car club without meeting some of the other members first to see what it's like.

None of this is an issue for you guys here on the forum, by the way! I'm just thinking aloud because feedback's always helpful.

I find it hard to follow the logic of what's kept from non-members and what isn't because it's inconsistent. If there's a good reason for the region sections being private on the website, then maybe those same sections should be private on the forums too? Simplest is almost always best.
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I Have to agree (as a non-member) with everything Poprock has highlighted.

Most car club forums have a single members only section. This means that non-members can still see what kind of activity the club has in their area and guage whether or not its a club they would wish to join. It also means that club politics and member only information can be kept safe for only those that should see it.

It might be an idea to take a leaf from your contemporaries such as DDK and TIPEC. They have members only sections, but still have a consistency of access to allow people to see whats going on in thier area.

What you should remember is that there are also people out there who are enthusiasts, but who dont have the means to be Porsche owners or to subscribe to the club. These people are still potential members.

It would be a shame to see this forum appear to be elitist, when we know its not.
 
I Have to agree (as a non-member) with everything Poprock has highlighted.

Most car club forums have a single members only section. This means that non-members can still see what kind of activity the club has in their area and guage whether or not its a club they would wish to join. It also means that club politics and member only information can be kept safe for only those that should see it.

It might be an idea to take a leaf from your contemporaries such as DDK and TIPEC. They have members only sections, but still have a consistency of access to allow people to see whats going on in thier area.

What you should remember is that there are also people out there who are enthusiasts, but who dont have the means to be Porsche owners or to subscribe to the club. These people are still potential members.

It would be a shame to see this forum appear to be elitist, when we know its not.
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Why is it that, so far, only 1 member has objected to the new format, but all the non-members are unhappy?? [:D][:D][:D]

Stephen, just out of interest can I ask why you find a region's forum of interest as a non-member? I guess we can all see how the 914 Register forum is useful to a 914-owner, but the social side of the Club would seem to be irrelevant to non-members? I'm not picking on you, please feel free not to answer, but all the feedback is the only way we know what people want! Certainly the vast majority of feedback from members is very positive so far, and after all it's their forum.

Perhaps a split-forum is the best of both worlds? Members can discuss Club matters happily in private, but prospective members can see the events diary without having to look at the website?

Are we nearing a concensus? [:)][:)]


 
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Paul
Who are these few members you talk about certainly no one on this forum up to know wants to see 2 section's so just put it back to the way it was and we will police it ourselves if some one is getting out of hand we will send round the boys and give them a Glasgow kiss ......this is a situation that should not have occurred if the powers that be had taken notice of the issues that where concerning members of this region ,,,so let us end this once and for all and get back to what the forum is all about interaction between consulting adults .So please no more thank you
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Hi Brian,

The reason for the changes were that it wasn't being moderated?

I'm not going to name the people who've contacted me to offer their support as they chose to contact me privately. If you feel the forum needs to be changed then I suggest a good place to start would be your RO or his assistant, it's primarily their decision how their forum runs and we only administer it. Even though we take the flak when changes are made! [:eek:]

As far as I'm aware you are the only person who feels that non-members should have access to the Region's forum as they only need to see dates of events, available on the website or through the RO and his assistant. If there is a huge majority of members who disagree with this then we need to know so please PM me or Ash
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I'm a member and I think everyone should have access, even if read only. This might be a generational thing I suppose, but I expect forums to be free and open.
 
Perhaps the one member who complained was able to see the potential damage the current forum split could cause..........................

Stephen, just out of interest can I ask why you find a region's forum of interest as a non-member? I guess we can all see how the 914 Register forum is useful to a 914-owner, but the social side of the Club would seem to be irrelevant to non-members? I'm not picking on you, please feel free not to answer, but all the feedback is the only way we know what people want! Certainly the vast majority of feedback from members is very positive so far, and after all it's their forum.
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The forum is of interest to anyone with Porsche in the region. Just because someone hasn't joined at present doesnt mean they are not planning to. Personally, I like to see how involved a clubs members are before i pay my membership. I dont want to find out all i get for my subscription is a wallet sized card saying i am a member. This is why its important to let non members view region activity.

I appreciate that the forum is primarily aimed at members, and their wishes should come first, but it should also be an online advert for the club, to gain more members. By hiding region information how can someone make an educated guess as to if the club is for them or not?

I dont personally mind which way people intend to go on this matter, but I felt I should put across a non-members point of view as rationally as possible.

Dont worry, I didnt think you were picking on me.


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I was asked to moderate the forum when I resigned as RO for R2.

Continued too do so for nearly four years and then did not re-new the membership for PCGB this year. I watched in utter disbelief at some of the issues and topics over the last year. The Board has a hard job too do, as does all those who volunteer freely.

R1 is an excellent region and has to reband and sort all this mess out.

Although I did not expect to remain as the Scotland forum moderator, I thought some form of communication on the matter would have been forthcoming before removal as moderator. Then at least PCGB could have had someone in place so to avoid these issues.

I feel it's time to move on from Porsche and PCGB.

http://www.pistonheads.com:80/sales/572514.htm

One day I am going to buy that 550 Spyder replica, another great forum topic recently!
 
Ok, so I have been a member of this club and region for over 10 years and have refrained from adding to the recent events across our region and nationally, specifically, but I now need to have my say.
Once again the club has made a decison with regard to the Scottish Region, Monthly meetings and Forum access, without any consultation or infromation on these activities to the members.
As a paying member I find this totally unacceptable.
Is it so difficult to survey the members or regions on specific changes required or prefered by the club prior to implimentation?
I for one and I am aware of other long standing members who are also not happy with the current approach and discussing this and other alternatives to PCGB.
I am aware that this communication sounds forcefull but continuing with this dictorial and not consultative approach is clearly not working.
I would also suggest that the club is only seeing the effects within this forum and not what may be happening behind the scenes within this region or indeed others.
Losing 1 or 2 club fees is not the issue but the bad press and general concencus around the clubs "Brand" could have a lasting effect and offer "comfort" to other clubs within the UK.
So i would ask that the club look at a plan to get us "All" back on track, communicate/invite its memebers to participate/agree a Best way forward and then we can progress.
regards
Raymond Boyd
(Boydyrs)
 
Once again the club has made a decison with regard to the Scottish Region, Monthly meetings and Forum access, without any consultation or infromation on these activities to the members.
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Hi Raymond,

I can only speak for the forum, but there has been a mass of consultation going on. Come and look at my in-box! [:eek:]

I think we've found a consensus that will please most people, and I'll be changiong things around later when I have more time. Please accept that we can only affect the areas we are involved in - for me the forums or 944 Register - and we can only act on the communications we receive. In the case of the Scottish forum we've had to balance two very different groups with strong opinions and it's most certainly not the case that anyone is dictating the way things move forward - very much the opposite, as we try to find a middle way.

I guess that if we tried to survey the entire membership before every change there would be chaos, we have a chain of command from members, through ROs/RSs, to the Board. At my level we really do take note of all the comments received and try to please everyone but it's not always easy. The worst thing is when people don't communicate, and then complain that no-one listens! [&:]
 
FWIW I also disagree with the splitting of the forum. I also resent the fact that there was no proper consulatation and vote on the issue.
 
Free and fair elections cannot take place in this atmosphere of distrust and dicatorship.

I am off to seek refuge elsewhere.

Wonder if the Dutch will take me in? ;O)
 
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