CASTLE HEDINGHAM SUN SEP 7 2014

[Melv]

See you there next year chaps, and thanks for the support:-

Melvin
The success of the extended date parameters was in no small part due to your Register's input and support.
THE celebration of the 911 would have been incomplete without the add on of the later cars. At the outset it was a considered gamble because the Hedingham event has gathered a lot of negativity in the Porsche Club mainly by the uninformed and fanned by the "not invented here " detractors. Nevertheless I was impressed by the owner enthusiasm of all post 73 cars which took part -and they seemed to get that the event is about the cars and the enthusiasm of their owners irrespective of age or model type.
The Parade format has proved to be well liked and consequently we will be repeating this scenario next year with the inclusion of later cars .
Happy Holiday
Fred

 

[oldtimer]

At the outset it was a considered gamble because the Hedingham event has gathered a lot of negativity in the Porsche Club mainly by the uninformed and fanned by the "not invented here " detractors.

I've been to Hedingham a few times now and am unaware of any negativity towards the event in PCGB.

What I am aware of is that there's not much interest evident on the PCGB forum in pre 73 911s or 356s which are the mainstay of Hedingham. I think that's why DDK was invented !

Anyway Happy Xmas and Good Cheer to All []

 

[jason]

"the event is about the cars and the enthusiasm of their owners irrespective of age or model type."

Talk about U-turn, they'd have spat at you two years ago if you'd taken a post 73 car and parked you near Stansted airport!![][][][][]

At this rate next year will have a replica enclosure and the year after a Cayenne enclosure [][][]

Amazing what gate receipts can do lol.....

 

[ChrisW]

I'm not sure that's entirely fair jason.

I heard a lot of negativity when PCGB had a stand supporting Hedingham but had no other part to play in it.

And John is perfectly correct that there is very little interest here in the early cars.

I'd like to think therefore that there has been generosity on both sides, leading to a bigger and even more enthusiastic gathering next year.

And to be honest, the 964RS stalwarts are not "your average" Porsche owner.

Who in their right mind would want to drive a car that was proclaimed dangerously irresponsible by the motoring press of the time ... I mean, you couldn't even see the speedo over 70 mph ...

If I can go, I definitely will.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

To be fair, I think if you turn up at Heddingham in a 1999 silver Boxster, or a ropey 924, you'll not be invited to display your car. Part of the point of a Porsche Club is that you respect every other member's choice of car, and their enthusiasm for the Marque.

That, and you don't ever use your position as a Club official to organise private, for-profit events. You should step down if you want to take your show outside of the Club.

We've been quick to pick on board members who have put their own agenda over the interests of Club members, and that should extend to ROs and RSs IMO. I'm sure it's an amazing event, although the front-engined cars that kept Porsche solvent in the '80s are excluded, but it shouldn't get PCGB support or front-page publicity in Porsche Post.

Sorry, but to me it's not important that the event is a good one: it's that it's run off the back of the Club without it giving anything in return. That's just plain wrong. It's not a Club event, but whilst the person running it is a Club official, using their Club contacts, the profits should come back to the Club.

It's certainly been raised plenty of times within the Club, but the politics between Germany, the organiser, and various boards has left it unresolved. I'd welcome the organiser replying, but he has never, in all his time as a Club representative, joined the Club forums to help his register. Says it all, really....[&o]

 

[Melv]

Another 944 member left out in the cold....... shame.....[8D]

 

[ChrisW]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

To be fair, I think if you turn up at Heddingham in a 1999 silver Boxster, or a ropey 924, you'll not be invited to display your car. Part of the point of a Porsche Club is that you respect every other member's choice of car, and their enthusiasm for the Marque.

That, and you don't ever use your position as a Club official to organise private, for-profit events. You should step down if you want to take your show outside of the Club.

We've been quick to pick on board members who have put their own agenda over the interests of Club members, and that should extend to ROs and RSs IMO. I'm sure it's an amazing event, although the front-engined cars that kept Porsche solvent in the '80s are excluded, but it shouldn't get PCGB support or front-page publicity in Porsche Post.

Sorry, but to me it's not important that the event is a good one: it's that it's run off the back of the Club without it giving anything in return. That's just plain wrong. It's not a Club event, but whilst the person running it is a Club official, using their Club contacts, the profits should come back to the Club.

It's certainly been raised plenty of times within the Club, but the politics between Germany, the organiser, and various boards has left it unresolved. I'd welcome the organiser replying, but he has never, in all his time as a Club representative, joined the Club forums to help his register. Says it all, really....[&o]

Paul, PCGB is not the font of all Porsche in the UK.

Membership of PCGB is not exclusive.

If you want to drive Fred out of the club you can try.

But the fact is that Porsche AG like this event, and so do I.

VW's aren't accepted either --- not that your 944 is a VW.

But it is wonderful meeting of the old 911 fraternity, and in fairness, the 944 is NOT a 911.

I owned a 968, -- I would not have expected to take it any further than the car park at this event.

Chris

 

[clubsport]

For me Classics at the castle was the best Porsche event of 2013.

I think it's success is that it is fairly exclusive, even though they accepted cars as ubiquitous as the 964 RS with over 2000 made!

It would be great to keep it to aircooled pre '98 cars with the exception to the homologated kettles as in 924 GT/S and 959 etc...

I have little, in fact no interest in paying an entrance fee to view '99 Boxsters, mainly because I can see them on the road any day of the week.

If PCGB really can't see the reason this event is such a success, that doesn't greatly surprise me, but such an attitude will no doubt lead to less of these cars involved in PCGB events.

The cars being celebrated at the event are amongst the best cars that Porsche has ever made, it is these cars and the enthusiasm of the owners that makes it a success, almost like events PCGB previously hosted at Brands and Stately homes.

Someone had to pick up the baton and run with it after it was dropped by PCGB! []

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: Melv

Another 944 member left out in the cold....... shame.....[8D]

If you list the Registers that aren't welcomed at the event, you'll realise that's a pretty thoughtless thing to say, and doesn't help the bad feeling within probably 50% of the Club over the emphasis on 911s this year. Forget anniversaries, it's about being inclusive, and silly comments about "944s left in the cold" just serve to create a divide. I expected more from you, I thought you understood that all Porsche owners have an equal right to be Club members. [&o]

If you count the people who joined the Club at Heddingham, and compare it to how many have left from the non-911 registers this year, it's quite sobering. Seriously, guys, don't add to the misconception that PCGB is only for 911s, when we're talking about a non-PCGB event, which is my point!

Chris, my point is pretty clear. You shouldn't take events outside of the Club whilst still using your Club "official" role to promote them. We shouldn't give it free space in Porsche Post, it should be a paid advert. I'm not saying it's a bad event, and PCGB could probably learn from the event, but why isn't the organiser putting the effort in to Club events rather than private ones? I'd welcome the answer!

 

[andrew_churcher]

Putting the politics to one side this is a great event. I went this year in the 944 and parked in the carpark but it was with other front runners in a designated area amongst some very special other Porsches of the modern era. I went the year before in the 964 and also parked in the carpark. I think 911uk organised their own spot together. I didn't feel left out and the vibe is very chilled, relaxed. It's a great day out.

 

[carreraboy]

OK .... the elephant is in the room ....

Fred now embraces everything that has some Factory provenance, needless to say if you turned up in a 924GTS or a 968 Turbo S you would probably go to top lawn. I would think a 944 Cup Car would make it easy. Werkes 1 builds are always interesting cars, and as Paul Clubsport say the mass Boxster builds can be seen in Waitrose every day ...There is not much post 98 that does it other than a 918 Spyder Nurburgring edition ...... The 964RS was indeed a 2000 production car, hmmm, creeps in, in my book, but the 964 Cup Car now we are talking[]

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

Paul, if you are suggesting Fred has used "club contacts" to promote his event then I would suggest he could be breaking the data protection act.
However if he has built up a number of friends who all share a like interest and want to organise an event outside the club then this would appear to be a different thing.
There have been many instances of this, over the years not least in this register, which have had a good following: The damage to the club is somewhat self inflicted by not offering it in the first place.
Was there mass dissatisfaction at the front runners events by 911 owners?

Edited for punctuation!!MS

Thanks, I sould have paid more attention at skool.[8D]

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

Des
I thought Fred to be most generous by letting in a number of non Porsche. Ruf and heaven forbid there was even an Alzen chassis number included[]

 

[carreraboy]

You been on the cooking Brandy again Laurence, you need to go and sniff some carpet, but don't fall in

 

[Melv]

ORIGINAL: jason

"the event is about the cars and the enthusiasm of their owners irrespective of age or model type."

Talk about U-turn, they'd have spat at you two years ago if you'd taken a post 73 car and parked you near Stansted airport!![][][][][]

At this rate next year will have a replica enclosure and the year after a Cayenne enclosure [][][]

Amazing what gate receipts can do lol.....

Can't help but agree Jason. But just take it that FH has come around to my way of thinking -I did suggest my Cup as a future classic some years ago and he suggested there was room in the car park then.....

Bare in mind what I quoted above is a 'thankyou' from Fred and not an excuse to kick off club politics again......

Anyway, I've got a replica I could bring along..... []

 

[jason]

YOU ALL SEEM TO BE MISSING THE POINT.....

This is not an event for everything aircooled and never has been.

It is for Classics. Pre-impact bumper models.

The Classic enthusiasts made it a success and if it gets diluted too much it will become just 'another' Porsche event and lose its appeal.

Now my initial comment was obviously tongue in cheek and as usual to wind people up a little and get the juices flowing, BUT....following this year you all now seem to think this is an event for any Porsche as long as you feel it's a bit 'special'...

Well it's not.

IT IS A UNIQUE EVENT FOR CLASSIC PORSCHES BUILT 1948-1973


Have a look at their home page!

Now I've been too all of them bar one I believe.

It's a great event. Made by the volume of CLASSIC Porsche cars in one place and a large number of CLASSIC Porsche enthusiasts, many who know each other through DDK[][] (sorry couldn't resist). What Fred has done works great, whether I agree with how he's done it or not and even if someone did ask if they could take a non-Porsche speedster replica a few years ago and was basically told to F.O.!!!

I don't mind there being a celebration of a particular model that does not fit in the 1948-1973 classification each year if there is a deserved reason.

But REALLY hope this doesn't become open season for anything and just lots of various parking sites for all sorts models/types irrespective of age. It should focus on what it was set up to do.

Rant over.

Continue your bickering....[][][]

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: Melv

Bare in mind what I quoted above is a 'thankyou' from Fred and not an excuse to kick off club politics again......

Appreciated that mate. But too good an opportunity.....[][][][]

 

[clubsport]

I was under the impression that the concession for the post '73 cars on display at this years C at the C, were part of the 911-50 year celebrations.

Isn't the 356 the main feature car for the 2014 event?

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: clubsport

I was under the impression that the concession for the post '73 cars on display at this years C at the C, were part of the 911-50 year celebrations.

Isn't the 356 the main feature car for the 2014 event?

It was Paul....and very cool it was too.

Not heard what is 2014 but hope it is the 356 []

 

[jdpef356]

Read FH's write up in the 356 Register column in this months Porsche Post!