Cayman 718 T - PSE no more ..?

[ed987s]

Hi All,

I'm in the process of ordering a new 718 Cayman T. However, I've noticed on the configurator that the PSE is no longer as standard, and also, don't even have the option to spec it on the build, although is standard on the "S" and "GTS".

Even the dealer hadn't been updated on this recent change, it was only when I was checking the std spec that I couldn't see it listed. So I checked with dealer, and, after they'd carried out further enquiries, they confirmed that it has now been removed..! So annoying, as I know the flat 4's don't sound as good as a flat 6, my old 987 Boxster S was testament to that, but in isolation they don't sound bad. However, any audible ambience is certainly a welcome addition, so it seems mad, especially on a T that it's no longer available.?

I just wondered if anyone had any idea why this change may have been implemented, and also, if an aftermarket approved PSE could be fitted complete with PSE button.? I have also asked Porsche UK if they could advise as to why its been removed. However, I'm still waiting for an update on that.

Many thanks,

Ed

 

[pse_SC]

Cayman

 

[ed987s]

Ooops - sorry for the Typo..Cayman

 

[Motorhead]

Ed,

I’ve no idea why it’s been deleted but manufacturers’ blurb always mentions that specs can be changed at any time without notice. With all the supply chain problems we’re hearing about I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a contributory factor.

It’ll be interesting to hear if it can be added as a retrofit. I can’t see any reason why not if the parts are available and the correct wiring harness is in place.

Jeff

 

[ed987s]

Many thanks Jeff..

Due to speeding up the manufacturing process, I have heard their shipping Macans part finished, in terms of specific components missing that aren't available, and then have the relevant parts fitted at the dealership, so you may be correct in ref to the PSE also being effected by this. However, it is available and standard option with the "S", "GTS", and "GT4". I suppose the superior models take precedent though..?

Thanks again,

Ed

 

[Motorhead]

Yes Ed, someone on the Macan forum mentioned that his car was being delivered with the wrong seats, to be updated when the correct items were available. I’m sure that there are plenty of other examples.

As you infer, if PSE availability is restricted then Porsche probably are making sure that customers for their most expensive Cayman variants are happy … unfortunately at your expense!

When you get the car and have driven it for a while you may find that the exhaust is quite loud enough and you won’t need PSE. It may be a blessing in disguise that it’s not available. []

Jeff

 

[Scrounger]

There is a big debate about this on another 718 forum and I posted the finding on there 3 months ago.

The PSE was discontinued from week 25 of 2021 and I'm led to believe its due to emissions restrictions(?). Strangely enough the option of PSE is available on the Tequipment site but it states not for models built after week 24 of 2021 so there is definitely something going on. All dealerships were sent a model year update and, as Jeff has said, Porsche reserve the right to make product changes as and when. Models that no longer have PSE are Base and T however, you can still option the twin exhaust pipes which are nice and I would highly recommend.

You could probably go down the after market route but you'll pay top dollar for a decent system from the likes of Soul Performance. Would it be a deal breaker? Probably not. There are a couple of chaps on the other forum that have cut their noses off to spite their faces and decided not to take delivery of their cars due to the PSE or lack of it which is a bit silly really after such a long wait.

Dan

 

[ed987s]

Thanks Dan,

Yes, I've also heard it's possibly down to emissions, however, it's still available on the more premium models. I can only assume that, if it is emission based, then its down to the total emissions for the Porsche group, and consequently the lesser models will take the hit..?

If it was a pre particulate filter year car, then it wouldn't be to much of an issue. However, after having a loan base 718 Boxster late last year, I was shocked at how muted the car was with a particulate filter fitted.

I had to take my wife's Macan S in last month for the TPM recall, and they gave me a loan 2.0 4 cylinder Macan which had a sport exhaust fitted! From my experience, although the car was agile and responsive, the fitted PSE did absolutely nothing for the sound. If I was buying a base Macan, its certainly not an option I would tick... I digress. My point is, and just my opinion, it does seem strange that this is an option on a base Macan and not on a more focussed Cayman T..?

 

[T15CAYMAN]

I would be surprised if the PSE has any/much impact on emissions as the muffler bypass/valves are post emission aftertreatment in the exhaust. It is more likely to be semi-conductor related. If the PSE controls have semi-conductors and are in short supply, Porsche may be using those parts in cars that have higher profit margins. As the semi-conductor issue eases, the option may come back?

It may be totally unrelated, I have had a PSE retrofit on order for my 981 since June, it is on back order and each month the ETA goes back a month.

 

[ed987s]

Yes, I think the semi-conductor issue is a strong possibility - if that is the case, its a shame they don't change the price to reflect the removal of the PSE..

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

Isn't that the whole idea of buying a T model you get a lot of extra optional extra thrown in ? I hope the price has been adjusted for the lack of PSE but I doubt it. []

 

[ed987s]

Yes, you would think so, especially on a T..Funny you should mention price - I was just checking this morning on the Porsche Config, and it seem the whole of the 718 range has gone up in price by over a £1000..! So to answer your question, yes the price has been adjusted - its gone up..!!

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

I was toying with ordering a T, I won't be now that's for sure might be time to buy a different brand after 27years.

Poor very poor

 

[Brian_Innes]

I was toying with ordering T I won't be now that for sure might be time to buy a different brand after 27years.

Poor very poor

Cliff,

While browsing alternatives to a Cayman T. I suggest you look at a new Alpine A110S.

Brian

 

[ed987s]

Yes, I have to agree, its not good.!

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

No wonder the used Porsche use car market is buoyant [] all these rules and restrictions on new models. Maybe I am old school but I won't be getting T now if no PSE and to pay 1 k more for the privilege.

Once again looks like the top most expensive models get to enjoy all the toys, that's of course they actually sell a limited editions to Joe blogs.

Not impressed at all. [:'(]

 

[Motorhead]

I imagine that the 718 spec in all versions is down to Porsche UK, Reading. Maybe they’re looking at the buoyant used car market and have decided to cash-in to a certain extent while supply of new cars is restricted severely? Call me a cynic! []

Jeff

 

[ed987s]

It must also be a nightmare for dealers, when Porsche see fit to remove something and then put the price up, especially when you've just ordered the car, prior to the price increase and spec change. How do they justify that, and how do the salesmen convice your not being ripped off..!! Normally they put the price up, but also throw something in to soften the blow..?

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

I see nobody buying a T now simples. []

 

[ed987s]

Yes, and in the meantime Porsche dealers are having to refund depsoits as the car the customer initially ordered has gone up in price and not as a high spec as intially thought. Excellent marketing..!