Caymans to be 4 cylinders from next year???
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Don't forget there will be used available too at the moment some with very little mileage and maybe a limited edition model from GT4, R and don't forget the Sport …. so if you are looking for long term flat 6 provenance there is good choice out there at the moment unless you must have a new Car. I would not put it past Porsche to turn out one last flat 6 special. put your name down now as a hedge!
I won't be buying a 4 pot in the future.
Are Porsche trying to boost 911 sales? Won't be buying a 911 either
Will hang on to my C/R after that won't be buying Porsche not unless I buy a late Cayman GTS or GT4.
The 4 pot may be faster more ecconomical lower emissions but really.
Cliff.
Are Porsche trying to boost 911 sales? Won't be buying a 911 either
Will hang on to my C/R after that won't be buying Porsche not unless I buy a late Cayman GTS or GT4.
The 4 pot may be faster more ecconomical lower emissions but really.
Cliff.
Hi Cliff, you have an R, is that a Manual or PDK …… good choice, there seems to be a few "Old Timers" taking the modern R route in addition.
My R is Manual, Buckets, Spyder Wheels, PSE, Chrono, few other less important bits.circa 12 k mileage at present but road trip planned this year so will increase. Also attending Sharmbrook tomorrow.
I have had it for 18 months best ever Porsche I have owned for a road car have owned a good few Porsches as well.
Awesome drivers car.
I have had it for 18 months best ever Porsche I have owned for a road car have owned a good few Porsches as well.
Awesome drivers car.
YES Cliff totally agree, have the sports chrono plus exhaust and a PDK, modern Porsche modern technology, a complete hoot car has done only done 6000 miles , but plan a trip to Spa and Euro Hoon, will be next year now.
Forget to mention Umbrella, Cup Holders and Radio Command centre but NO A/C!
Forget to mention Umbrella, Cup Holders and Radio Command centre but NO A/C!
Every time that Porsche change things in a major way there are some who say "it's not a Porsche", it happened with the change from 4 cylinders to six ( 1963 ), the front engined cars ( 1976 ), the introduction of Cayenne and Panamera ( only after Ferry Porsche's death ), even heard some rubbish about PDK which was designed and used for years as a race transmission so how Porsche is that, so well developed and still improving.
The fact is regarding the change to 4 cylinder turbos we don't know how they will drive yet but we do know that they will be class leading.
The fact is regarding the change to 4 cylinder turbos we don't know how they will drive yet but we do know that they will be class leading.
Agreed Kevan,
The same can be said about electric steering systems. Significant advances have been made already in the steering feel (ref the GT3) and given a few more years, hydraulically-assisted systems will have been confined to history. Everyone has forgotten how lifeless the hydraulic systems were when first introduced (Jaguar XJ6?) and it took the manufacturers some time fiddling with the valving to achieve a reasonable level of feedback.
Porsche has a lot of turbocharging experience and like you I'm expecting the flat-4 turbo engines to be state-of-the-art examples if the publicity blurb on the new 991 turbo cars is anything to go by - high revving but with bags of torque. A 4-pot motor has a different sound characteristic compared with a six, but nothing to be too concerned about.
Jeff
The same can be said about electric steering systems. Significant advances have been made already in the steering feel (ref the GT3) and given a few more years, hydraulically-assisted systems will have been confined to history. Everyone has forgotten how lifeless the hydraulic systems were when first introduced (Jaguar XJ6?) and it took the manufacturers some time fiddling with the valving to achieve a reasonable level of feedback.
Porsche has a lot of turbocharging experience and like you I'm expecting the flat-4 turbo engines to be state-of-the-art examples if the publicity blurb on the new 991 turbo cars is anything to go by - high revving but with bags of torque. A 4-pot motor has a different sound characteristic compared with a six, but nothing to be too concerned about.
Jeff
Brian_Innes
Member
As a keen driver in my CR manual, and living in an area with some of the best driver's roads in the UK, I'm despairing all this chat about "brand positioning" and "parts bin sharing" regarding the forthcoming flat 4 turbo Caymans and Boxsters. Such corporate language leaves me stone cold when it comes to my choice of car.
I came into Porsche ownership 8 years ago with my very first Cayman, a 987.1 2.7 manual, and have since graduated via a 987.2 CS manual, to my current fabulous CR manual. I like my Caymans as you will have already sussed. I chose the Cayman models over the Boxster's due to it's better handling stiffer coupe chassis compared to the more "flexi" Boxster convertible. I love my driving, both on the glorious Highland roads where I live, and at the occasional track day. At no time did I consider brand positioning, or how the neighbours would rate my car choice. I chose the Cayman for what it means to me, simply the best value driver's car for the money bar none.
Regarding the flat 4 turbos, this change is not good. Nothing, simply nothing, exemplifies Porsche sports cars better than a singing, howling, normally aspirated flat 6.
By comparison, my other daily driver car has a 4 cylinder turbo engine. It's an Abarth 595 Competizione 180 bhp, and it's fun, cheeky, and frisky to drive as only a hot Fiat 500 can be. However, the power delivery of the Abarth is very different to the creamy, silky, power and torque curve provided by my CR engine. Turbo engines are by nature good at delivering a shed load of torque in a great lump all of a sudden. It's a completely different power delivery system to n/a engines. I shall be very interesting to see how Porsche map the new flat 4 engines and how the motoring press receive them in a Porsche sports car. I'm expecting mixed reviews.
I completely agree with earlier comments about over long gearing. This kills keen driver involvement and enjoyment both on public roads and track day events. The new GT4 for example would have been even more of a track scorcher with shorter, closer stacked gear ratios and a lower geared diff. Maybe the GT4RS will sort that out.
Finally, I loved the comment about current 987 Spyders and CR's being a gold plated pension fund.......maybe this flat 4 turbo engine nonsense may well turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Spyder and CR owners. Every cloud has a silver lining.
Brian
I came into Porsche ownership 8 years ago with my very first Cayman, a 987.1 2.7 manual, and have since graduated via a 987.2 CS manual, to my current fabulous CR manual. I like my Caymans as you will have already sussed. I chose the Cayman models over the Boxster's due to it's better handling stiffer coupe chassis compared to the more "flexi" Boxster convertible. I love my driving, both on the glorious Highland roads where I live, and at the occasional track day. At no time did I consider brand positioning, or how the neighbours would rate my car choice. I chose the Cayman for what it means to me, simply the best value driver's car for the money bar none.
Regarding the flat 4 turbos, this change is not good. Nothing, simply nothing, exemplifies Porsche sports cars better than a singing, howling, normally aspirated flat 6.
By comparison, my other daily driver car has a 4 cylinder turbo engine. It's an Abarth 595 Competizione 180 bhp, and it's fun, cheeky, and frisky to drive as only a hot Fiat 500 can be. However, the power delivery of the Abarth is very different to the creamy, silky, power and torque curve provided by my CR engine. Turbo engines are by nature good at delivering a shed load of torque in a great lump all of a sudden. It's a completely different power delivery system to n/a engines. I shall be very interesting to see how Porsche map the new flat 4 engines and how the motoring press receive them in a Porsche sports car. I'm expecting mixed reviews.
I completely agree with earlier comments about over long gearing. This kills keen driver involvement and enjoyment both on public roads and track day events. The new GT4 for example would have been even more of a track scorcher with shorter, closer stacked gear ratios and a lower geared diff. Maybe the GT4RS will sort that out.
Finally, I loved the comment about current 987 Spyders and CR's being a gold plated pension fund.......maybe this flat 4 turbo engine nonsense may well turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Spyder and CR owners. Every cloud has a silver lining.
Brian
spyderwhite
Member
I think the cr and spyder as a gold plated pension fund would have to make you about 25 for any large rewards at pension age!
Although both good cars it will be a long while before they hit the realms of a 997.2 gt3rs even the lesser 997.1 gt3!
prices of said cars seamed to have found their niche at about £40-45k for a minter and can't see them rising anytime soon!
Although there are rumours of turbo 4 pots I still think they will make fl6 na. engine specials for the die hards
Although both good cars it will be a long while before they hit the realms of a 997.2 gt3rs even the lesser 997.1 gt3!
prices of said cars seamed to have found their niche at about £40-45k for a minter and can't see them rising anytime soon!
Although there are rumours of turbo 4 pots I still think they will make fl6 na. engine specials for the die hards
Brian_Innes
Member
Well,er, I'm a bit older than 25, but in my case my CR has turned out to be an excellent investment as a trade-in purchase from a 2010 987.2 CS. Not often you can say that about a car purchase! The pension fund analogy simply amused me. Nothing more.
Agreed that CR and Spyder models will probably not reach the stratospheric price heights of the 997 GT3's, but the used car market is a fickle thing and who knows what these mid-engined gems will fetch in 10 years time.
Brian
Agreed that CR and Spyder models will probably not reach the stratospheric price heights of the 997 GT3's, but the used car market is a fickle thing and who knows what these mid-engined gems will fetch in 10 years time.
Brian
Preuninger has indicated that the GT cars will remain N/A at the moment but I'm afraid it's inevitable that there will come a time when every new Porsche will be turbocharged for reasons of better fuel economy and emissions. Before passing judgement, let's wait and see what Porsche has managed to conjure up with their new formula engines; we may be pleasantly surprised. One thing for certain is that the turbo engines will better suit the long gearing.
Parts bin sharing Brian? The Boxster and Cayman owe their very existence to the 986, 987 and 991..!
Jeff
Parts bin sharing Brian? The Boxster and Cayman owe their very existence to the 986, 987 and 991..!
Jeff
Brian_Innes
Member
Touché Jeff.......
I was referring more to the current Audi/VAG parts bin rummaging.
Brian
I was referring more to the current Audi/VAG parts bin rummaging.
Brian
Yes, I know Brian. I was just being rather punctilious, but I do agree with you. Unfortunately it's the way of the world nowadays in the quest to reduce production costs.
One positive thing about using the VAG parts bin is that we might see some more imaginative use of the centre touch screen to get rid of the hideous centre console button-fest of the latest Porsche offerings. And just take a look at the latest Audi instrument display to show what can be achieved in a modern quality car.
Jeff
One positive thing about using the VAG parts bin is that we might see some more imaginative use of the centre touch screen to get rid of the hideous centre console button-fest of the latest Porsche offerings. And just take a look at the latest Audi instrument display to show what can be achieved in a modern quality car.
Jeff
More magazine froth of course, but some interesting comments here on this subject from Boxster and Cayman boss Dr Stefan Wechbach:
[link=http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/92880/next-porsche-boxster-and-cayman-to-get-4cyl-turbos]http://www.autoexpress.co...man-to-get-4cyl-turbos[/link]
Good to hear that he doesn't subscribe to the opinion that there must be a big performance gap between the 911 and the Cayman.
Jeff
[link=http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/92880/next-porsche-boxster-and-cayman-to-get-4cyl-turbos]http://www.autoexpress.co...man-to-get-4cyl-turbos[/link]
Good to hear that he doesn't subscribe to the opinion that there must be a big performance gap between the 911 and the Cayman.
Jeff
I've been off the forum for a while until I got the IT technicalities sorted out recently, so apologies for resurrecting old threads that I'm just catching up with. To add my own comment to the four cyl. Cayman/Boxster debate, I think there is one safe prediction I can make: There will be no small Diesel engined entry level model with suspiciously low emission output claims on offer. Remember, you heard it here first!
On a more serious note, I did get a sinking feeling when I read about the four cylinder future, and my knee jerk reaction was that my current Cayman GTS would be the last of a run of six consecutive Porsches. (All various Boxsters and Caymans). Then again, the old 'never say never' comes into play, and Kevan is right to point out that it is wrong to judge the next generation cars before we have driven them. I suspect I will certainly miss the sound though, and if the boffins have synthesised the future four pot's aural output to sound like a six, that would both embarrass and patronise in equal measures. Fingers crossed.
On a more serious note, I did get a sinking feeling when I read about the four cylinder future, and my knee jerk reaction was that my current Cayman GTS would be the last of a run of six consecutive Porsches. (All various Boxsters and Caymans). Then again, the old 'never say never' comes into play, and Kevan is right to point out that it is wrong to judge the next generation cars before we have driven them. I suspect I will certainly miss the sound though, and if the boffins have synthesised the future four pot's aural output to sound like a six, that would both embarrass and patronise in equal measures. Fingers crossed.
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