Classic 934.5/RSRs racing at Spa
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PhilRS
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Yes and of course easy to say but he did not handle the spin well. He kept the wheel in opposite lock. He should have done this instead...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2ApP7id-s
Good to practice on a simulator...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2ApP7id-s
Good to practice on a simulator...
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Tks for posting...I was saddened by the end.....I thought he was taking it fairly easy on the entry.....
In hindsight he should have paid more attention to "Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel"..White Lines (don't do it!) []
It was those "White lines" once gain,,,,,surely the real skill is not managing to drive over them...that way you have...a quicker lap and in the space you need to play your recovery skill and luck......you unfortunately have the problem of potentially colliding with someone else.
Steve Brookes
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Great video but now I'm even more nervous about my first trip there! Luckily I won't be travelling at those sort of speeds though. []
]Easy to critise of course, but so easy to do. Having done it myself (although I didnt hit the barriers), its very, easily done - despite knowing the consequences), fortunately in a lighter car and got away with it. Plus I think it takes an incredible state of mind to realise the car isnt coming back and turn the wheel the other way. I would even say that he would then run the risk of being collected by a car behind. In a race, I guess you always hoping that people are going just lock all the wheels and wait, as opposed to spear across the track.
Interesting I thought he was quite brave first time through there, not cautious, although the pink car in front is pretty nippy too! Looks like a great race with some very nice cars. A realy shame.
Interesting I thought he was quite brave first time through there, not cautious, although the pink car in front is pretty nippy too! Looks like a great race with some very nice cars. A realy shame.
paul howells
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Great vid thanks
spa slippery and to much boost,gearing was interesting
Normally aspirated is clearly the way forwards!!,the rsr were going well if the 934 had all the bhp it says it has.
Dont think it matters much what you do with the steering wheel in those situations,very slippery off line.
The ctr 935 would it alive.[]
spa slippery and to much boost,gearing was interesting
Normally aspirated is clearly the way forwards!!,the rsr were going well if the 934 had all the bhp it says it has.
Dont think it matters much what you do with the steering wheel in those situations,very slippery off line.
The ctr 935 would it alive.[
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PhilRS
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My dear friends, i would tend to disagree... In a spinning car, after 45+ deg of rotation, with steering in opposite lock from failed attempt to correct, at Eau Rouge speeds, it is useful to turn the steering wheel the other way and let the car follow its own spinning momentum--here, more or less straight--and recover after a 360, more or less along the line.
I can demonstrate [only kidding!] [][][]
I can demonstrate [only kidding!] [
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I disagree - If you want to get a car to go straight lock all the brakes. In a spin, both feet in. That way the car will keep going straight and not spear back in an unexpected direction. The number of big accidents that occur because a car is leaving the track only to come back on having not locked the brakes and the wheels have caught traction again.ORIGINAL: PhilRS
My dear friends, i would tend to disagree... In a spinning car, after 45+ deg of rotation, with steering in opposite lock from failed attempt to correct, at Eau Rouge speeds, it is useful to turn the steering wheel the other way and let the car follow its own spinning momentum--here, more or less straight--and recover after a 360, more or less along the line.
I can demonstrate [only kidding!] [
Discuss.
Editted to add an example, I remember seeing this live....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4lzHhjtRPo
The yellow car didnt race the rest of the year, as he didnt have the budget after the crash (if I recal correctly). What chance did he stand? If the first car had spun and locked its wheels as opposed to try to rescue it post 45 degree, I think the second impact could have been avoided. The first drive simply made a mistake and tried to rescue (not a cirme, just unfortunate), I've done it, its just not youtube![8D]
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]Not to sure on that advice, for one it would make 5hit of your tyres, thats a grand gone straight away and secondly locked tyres equals no control at all.
Well in the clip above I think there was about £50k worth damage, one car was reshelled, the other car, I'm not so sure, but I think it cost more than a set of tyres. I'd happy lose a set of tyres if it avoided contact with another car.
Actually locked tyres does mean control. The car goes straight - thats your control. You cant do anything else but it follows a predicatable path for everyone else around you.
DSCBoy
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Not wishing to claim some sort of spin status here, I did race the Clio V6's which were legends of spin... I actually did a full 360 one way, caught it, then back 360 degrees the other way at the end of my final race in the car at Donny at the exit of Redgate for the crowd!
But those cars were lethally unstable. My record was 22 spins in 1 test day...
I personally would never go with the full lock up approach, I'm always confident that I can eventually catch the spin and I've survived a couple of "factor 10's" in the Clio V6 to prove it. (Factor 10 = more than 1000 deg of spin at over 100mph) but I can see the argument as long as the car is heading the right way at the time and you've got plenty of space in the direction you are heading.
That said, I've never spun a 911 with the engine out the back and can imagine there are some pretty special momentums going on once it starts going around.
But those cars were lethally unstable. My record was 22 spins in 1 test day...
I personally would never go with the full lock up approach, I'm always confident that I can eventually catch the spin and I've survived a couple of "factor 10's" in the Clio V6 to prove it. (Factor 10 = more than 1000 deg of spin at over 100mph) but I can see the argument as long as the car is heading the right way at the time and you've got plenty of space in the direction you are heading.
That said, I've never spun a 911 with the engine out the back and can imagine there are some pretty special momentums going on once it starts going around.
PhilRS
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My comment came following the 934.5 spin, in which I felt (but of course can be wrong and much easier said than done) that if the guy had not kept his steering lock the way it was, he might have recovered without hitting the armco--cf. the spin in the second video where this is avoided with in my view better steering. When the car is rolling backwards, then the steering input allows to go one way or the other. If the wheels are locked up, then there is no choice.
A nice little debate then......
Phil, in the second video, as the car rolls backwards its the steering in put that causes the car to change direction and thus the unsighted car at the back has to change his tack and end up still hitting it. If the car had gone in one direction, ( wheels locked), he'd have missed it.
Rick, there is maybe a view that a really good driver is better off without the wheels locked (I'm still not convinced), where as an average club racer trying to rescue the car is just as likely to cause havoc to the cars following. (under race conditions).
Phil, in the second video, as the car rolls backwards its the steering in put that causes the car to change direction and thus the unsighted car at the back has to change his tack and end up still hitting it. If the car had gone in one direction, ( wheels locked), he'd have missed it.
Rick, there is maybe a view that a really good driver is better off without the wheels locked (I'm still not convinced), where as an average club racer trying to rescue the car is just as likely to cause havoc to the cars following. (under race conditions).
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