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DIY Caliper Refurbishment

zcacogp

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Chaps,

The brakes on my S2 were distinctly lacklustre recently so I took the wheels off to have a look and discovered that the front calipers were afflicted by the dreaded 'plate lift'. I know it is possible to get calipers professionally refurbished but being short on money at the moment (but having plenty of time) I tackled it myself and took some photos. I did the same to the rear calipers about 4 or 5 years ago, soon after I bought the car, and this time it was the turn of the fronts.

I was surprised by how little lift was necessary to jam the pads up. One of the pads wouldn't slide out at all (and hence wouldn't have been able to exert any force onto the disk), and let when I looked at the caliper I was dubious as to whether there was any lift at all. Moral of the story is that these things don't have much tolerance in them.

The calipers come off readily; two 19mm bolts holding them on, and a 14mm spanner to get the brake hose off. The bolts holding the plates in put up a fair fight, but not too bad - there was the usual loctite on the threads and they were pretty tight, But the heads weren't too rusty so there was moderate purchase available on them. The solution is heat; I used a small (kitchen) butane blowtorch with a fine pencil flame to toast the heads of the bolts and destroy the loctite - like this one, but there are hundreds available:

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The small flame allows you to locally heat just the head of the bolt - you need to avoid toasting the piston seals which are very close by. I cleaned the bolts carefully (allows better heat transfer to them) and then heated them good and hard - four or five minutes with a good flame, until they started making a faint crackling noise. Some didn't respond to this, so I cut a notch in the top of them and used a hammer and cold chisel to hit them 'round until they were free. (This is quite a lot more brutal tho' and best avoided if you can.)

Once the bolts are out then I removed the plates (carefully, to avoid damaging the seals) and cleaned the corrosion away from behind them with a wire brush. (If you aren't in a rush you can have them shot-blasted and replace the seals, but I needed to use the car and didn't have the time for this.) Once all the corrosion is out you can apply lotions and unguents to slow further corrosion in the future. I used some good 'ol smoothrite paint; it's suitable for moderate temperatures, and calipers never get as hot as people think they do (if they did then the rubber seals in them would be destroyed!) While I was at it, I cleaned the rest of the caliper as well and painted the front and top.

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Drying smoothrite can be helped with a little heat:

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(I dearly hope my wife never looks at this forum ... ) The plates are re-usable if they aren't too bent, but do benefit from some cleaning as well - in my case, with a wire brush on the end of an electric drill. Here are some cleaned and un-cleaned ones.

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You need to refit new bolts; they are standard M6's, and I used normal-head stainless ones. This will mean that next time the calipers are dismantled it will be MUCH easier to get the bolts out.

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You do need to file the heads a little to get clearance for the pads, but this is a trivial job and the ease of future removal makes it well worthwhile. Here is a picture showing the slightly filed heads of the bolts. Use a ruler (or other straight edge) to ensure that they sit slightly behind the plane of the plates.

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This picture also shows the copper grease used when re-assembling; I put a LOT of it behind the plates, in an attempt to keep future corrosion at bay.

Once the calipers were re-built it was trivial to put them back on the car and bleed the brakes. An easy-bleed kit is worth it's weight in gold here - making a 90-minute long two-person job into a 20-minute long one person job. Well worth £15 at your local motor factors.

And the end result? Brakes that work as they should; firm pedal feel and lots of bite (pushing well into the ABS from 50mph on a warm dry road.) And shiny black calipers!


Oli.
 
The right honourable Oliver, you have done a superb DIY job and well in advance of the job I've done in the past !

For me the biggest issue and hence why I've alway handed that aspect over to Mr Mark Fish is the heat application/ having the kit to deal with if it goes Pete Tong: needed to mig weld standard bolt on to a goosed retaining bolt etc.

As you hinted at, removing the calipers and cleaning up is actually very straight forward and only a 2 spanners DIY level !

Good write up though and well done for showing that you don't have to spend a fortune to get them refurbed !

Chris
 
Chris,

You're spot on; had I come unstuck with one of the plate bolts then I would have had to take them to a local engineer and asked them to do the job. And the problem with only having one car is that if you need to do this sort of thing, you have no car to travel there in ... [&:] I took a chance tho' and it paid off. Doing them while the corrosion is not too bad is probably a good lesson; if you file the edges of the pads as a botch to make them work, when you finally get 'round to doing the job properly it will be much more difficult as there will be even less bolt head to get a grip on.

It was a long job, but very satisfying to do and I am very pleased with the end result. Cost was minimal - maybe £1 for the bolts, £12 for the brake fluid and pennies for the paint. Getting it done would be expensive on account of the time it takes, so there is a good saving if you are handy with the spanners (and blowtorch).

Thanks for your kind comments.


Oli.
 
A good use of your time, that.
I am guessing that the path to virtue and an easy life on these matters is probably to repeat, say, every three years. That ought to mean that the whole caboodle pops part with minimal fuss and that the cleanup and reassembly is easy, and the whole job requires little time and practically no swearing.Anyone actually tried this?
 
How difficult is the brake bleed afterwards? I find bleeding the hydraulic brakes on my moutain bike bad enough and shy away from the task on a car
 
10mm ring spanner over the bleed nipple, some model aircraft fuel tubing from the bleed nipple to an empty jam jar, and herself in the drivers seat. Tell her to start pushing the pedal down, open bleed nipple. She shouts when the pedal's near the floor, close bleed nipple (she keeps pushing until the pedal goes hard 'cos you've closed the bleed nipple, then lets the pedal back up). Repeat as required until clean bubble free fluid, move to next bleed nipple. Start with bleed nipple furthest from reservoir (check level periodically and top up as required).

Also worth considering - you can get ATA brake fluid in blue or brown, so the new fluid is different colour to the old. Combine a brake fluid change with the refurb, helps you see when the new clean fluid gets to the bleed nipple. Did this last year (new front discs and pads, brake fluid change), changed from brown to blue. Helps if you take as much old fluid out of the reservoir as possible with a syringe, then top up with new fluid before you start.

Or - there are bleeded kits you can buy that let you do the job single handed. I have no experience of them, but have seen others saying they're great.
 
Whilst the 2 person pedal approach works very well, there is also the train of thought that doing this with older master cylinders will push the seals and piston into areas of the cylinder which the seals don't normal go to.....

For this reason and for ease I would always recommend using an easi- bleed kit. IMHO you really need two full goes around the system ( 8 bleed nipples S2/Turbo) x 2 to ensure all the air is out of the system - aided by some tapping of the calipers with a rubber mallet and a small amount of heat.

Chris
 
I just did mine as well Oli. But I went for a colour change. The results:

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Not bad if I do say so myself. Well done Oli. Just goes to show what can be done quite easily by the home mechanic [:)]
 
Good job Boys. Lets see more how to's and diy jobs on here.Most jobs are not as bad as you would think.
 
Absolutely couldn't agree more. I had meant to put an article together and post it in the technical article section but haven't been arsed yet. Now it would seem Oli has beaten me to it. Damn you Oli lol. Maybe one of the mods could lift and shift Oli's thread to there?
 

ORIGINAL: Lowtimer
I am guessing that the path to virtue and an easy life on these matters is probably to repeat, say, every three years. That ought to mean that the whole caboodle pops part with minimal fuss and that the cleanup and reassembly is easy, and the whole job requires little time and practically no swearing.Anyone actually tried this?
I am thinking exactly the same thing; and it's about time I had the rears apart for a gander and clean-up. They were done using the same technique about 4 years ago, and I used normal-headed S/S bolts there as well, so they'll be a doddle to dismantle.

Bleeding: ChrisHazle, bleed kits are great. The none-bleed-kit technique, as you describe, works but takes an age, and it's very easy to get air in the system. Believe me; I have spent many hours failing to get a satisfactory result without a bleed kit, on simpler brakes than are on a 944. A bleed kit really makes the job a one-person cinch. ChrisG is quite right - bleed kits make things easier and more predictable.

ORIGINAL: RobWright
Now it would seem Oli has beaten me to it. Damn you Oli lol.
>GrinsBroadly<

(But you got nice red calipers out of it. I only had black smoothrite in my workshop, so have plain boring black calipers now.)


Oli.
 
Quick follow-up to this; now with around 400 miles on the newly rebuilt brakes, I can report exactly how good they are. I wasn't aware of how much they had deteriorated before, but they are amazingly good now; hugely delicate from the first touch of the pedal, but exceptionally effective, with bite, power and feel at any speed. You really can bring it down from well into 3 figures to a standstill, keeping it just outside of the point where the ABS cuts in, briskly and effortlessly.

The difference it has made to the car has surprised me; yes, it brakes a lot better, but it has made the car as whole feel more responsive, and much easier to drive fast on a twisty road.

Well, well worth the time and effort spent on it. I can now understand why Porsche were reputed to have the best brakes of any road car in the '80's and '90's.


Oli.
 
I can totally plus one that Oli. At first I had to readjust to the brakes after not driving the car for a month but after the new pads had bedded in and everything seems to have settled back down they are awesome. Good job I don't wear contacts and my eyes are held in place pretty well [:eek:]
 
What pads have you boys gone for ? I have the same calipers as you Oli, and gonna give mine this treatment in the next few weeks - I'm due pads now so a good time to give them a freshen up

Mike
 
If you are not tracking the car then in my opinion standard high street pads are your friend. I have Mintex pads in mine and they do the job just fine for the road. £26 delivered off of fleabay [:)]
 
It may well see a track once or twice Rob, still enough to deal with that ? Planning a ring trip hopefully later in the year.............:)
 
I used Stainless Steel Buttonhead setscrews with Loctite thread sealant when I did mine-so no need to grind boltheads-also helps to prevent cathodic corrosion with the 2 different metals-will also be easier to get out in the future-but you are all right-not a difficult job-however in my case had to weld nuts onto the old boltheads -then easy out with a ring spanner.
 

ORIGINAL: mike220

It may well see a track once or twice Rob, still enough to deal with that ? Planning a ring trip hopefully later in the year.............:)
Yup, standard pads are more than enough for all but dedicated track use, or so it seems. I can't remember what pads I have in mine but know that they aren't anything special.

As with so many aspects of cars, good-order standard-spec systems are better than poorly-maintained and badly-setup esoteric systems.


Oli.
 
ORIGINAL: VITESSE

I used Stainless Steel Buttonhead setscrews with Loctite thread sealant when I did mine-so no need to grind boltheads-also helps to prevent cathodic corrosion with the 2 different metals-will also be easier to get out in the future-but you are all right-not a difficult job-however in my case had to weld nuts onto the old boltheads -then easy out with a ring spanner.

Stainless steel is probably the worst material you could use. It would probably enourage more anodic corrosion. You would be better off with standard, cheaper ZP button heads as I used. A spot of threadlock is always a good idea though.
 

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