Chris_in_the_UK
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Is that 6% substantiated Paul?
Don't Buy a Porsche?
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Is that 6% substantiated Paul?
thirteeneast
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Well I know it don't reference to most of us, But if you have just bought a 996 and your reading this thread "DON'T PANIC, DON'T COMPLAIN, BUT DO ENJOY!"
Because you just bought an £80k sports car for peanuts because of some bad press for a Minuscule amount of engine failures.
Without that bad press you can expect to have payed two to three times the prices of todays market.
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Because you just bought an £80k sports car for peanuts because of some bad press for a Minuscule amount of engine failures.
Without that bad press you can expect to have payed two to three times the prices of todays market.
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I think it would be naive to wholly ignore the risk.
As for suggesting that a 10 year old 996 would be worth c£45k without the issue, I'm afraid I can't agree with you there - you can get an 11000 mile approve used Aston Martin DB9 for that or a brand new stock Boxster S - the price of used 996s simply reflects the market. Most people have no idea about the potential engine issues - I didn't until mine self destructed and I'd owned it 18 months and was a member here!!
As for suggesting that a 10 year old 996 would be worth c£45k without the issue, I'm afraid I can't agree with you there - you can get an 11000 mile approve used Aston Martin DB9 for that or a brand new stock Boxster S - the price of used 996s simply reflects the market. Most people have no idea about the potential engine issues - I didn't until mine self destructed and I'd owned it 18 months and was a member here!!
Chris_in_the_UK
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I agree Rob in that the risk should not be ignored.
There are a few things that are now known that can be done to minimise the occurrence and of course it would be sensible to do these if they have not already been done.
I personally think it is remiss to state categorically that the failures mentioned WILL occur and an editorial own goal as a club publication to commit that to print. Others may not agree
There are a few things that are now known that can be done to minimise the occurrence and of course it would be sensible to do these if they have not already been done.
I personally think it is remiss to state categorically that the failures mentioned WILL occur and an editorial own goal as a club publication to commit that to print. Others may not agree
vitesse
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The big problem is that in general,Porsches had a reputation for longevity down through the ownership stratas without huge costs to the owner when the cars are relatively young & still familiar within the newer products range-the 996 saga destroys that position for the budget driver who is entitled to want to enjoy a super sports car he can enjoy--after all-10k for the car is great but another 7-10k when the engine goes pop is unsustainable.
In my view,given the seeming quantity of crawling around Porsche the club gets engaged in,& the no of members ,the club should have been able to influence Porsche's attitude to this problem.
In my view,given the seeming quantity of crawling around Porsche the club gets engaged in,& the no of members ,the club should have been able to influence Porsche's attitude to this problem.
pauljmcnulty
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No idea, it's not my figure. According to the PP article it's the number quoted in the US class action, so can't be too far out, I guess?
I agree that it's badly written in the Essex write-up. What it says is "some experts say all these engines will experience IMS failure at some point in their life cycle". I think "all", and "some experts", needs clarification.
I'd read Hartech's guides, and Baz is probably the best expert to ask for an accurate percentage of failures. Of course, if it's your engine that lets go out of warranty, you won't care about the percentages!
chriscoates81
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I thought the chances were 1% for 3.4's and 5% for 3.6ers.
thirteeneast
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? Rob where did you get £45k from 3x £9k = 27k
Or are you saying you want to give me £15k for my 10 year old 996 ??? if so its a done deal LOL.
2004 model is worth £15k all day long! C4Ss are still £20k aren't they for a good one? Future classic for sure [
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thirteeneast
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C4s is the iceing on the cake, and nobody would have an issue or question it, is a different beast.
But the 996 is still a cracking car for budget money, I don't really no why anyone who got one at todays prices would worry or complain about what is a well known over hyped issue.
Whether it be a higher risk but newer and higher priced face lift model or a gen1
The only people with a right to complain are those like yourself that suffered from Engine failure when the car was still a baby but to not buy one now because of a possible risk is ludicrous.
So it could cost six grand to fix, well thats about one years deprecation value in the life of a 996? so if you've owned your 911 10 years you've lost six times that plus running costs now that something to moan about.
Those that are looking to buy or just bought have been given a race Horse for the price of a Donkey.
But the 996 is still a cracking car for budget money, I don't really no why anyone who got one at todays prices would worry or complain about what is a well known over hyped issue.
Whether it be a higher risk but newer and higher priced face lift model or a gen1
The only people with a right to complain are those like yourself that suffered from Engine failure when the car was still a baby but to not buy one now because of a possible risk is ludicrous.
So it could cost six grand to fix, well thats about one years deprecation value in the life of a 996? so if you've owned your 911 10 years you've lost six times that plus running costs now that something to moan about.
Those that are looking to buy or just bought have been given a race Horse for the price of a Donkey.
That's the power of the internet - I may come on here moaning about what happened to me but you don't then get 20 people posting back saying that their car is just fine.
I have never seen my old car again since the day I picked up its replacement but if I ever saw it advertised I'd need to go and see it to satisfy my curiosity - I would love to have it back in the garage alongside the Spyder - they are truly amazing cars for the money now.
I have never seen my old car again since the day I picked up its replacement but if I ever saw it advertised I'd need to go and see it to satisfy my curiosity - I would love to have it back in the garage alongside the Spyder - they are truly amazing cars for the money now.
thirteeneast
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I just wish there had been a court case for broken indicator stalks?
"Did they make them out of liquorice?" I have never broke an indicator stalk on any car I have ever owned but have broke two on this!.
"Did they make them out of liquorice?" I have never broke an indicator stalk on any car I have ever owned but have broke two on this!.
Some people were unhappy though..
http://www.ferdinandmagazine.com/gunfight-996-porsche-engine-failure-ims
http://www.ferdinandmagazine.com/gunfight-996-porsche-engine-failure-ims
Ouch!!
I must admit that all this IMS talk is starting to make me paranoid!
I must admit that all this IMS talk is starting to make me paranoid!
No, 997.2 non-turbo have a completely new type of engine
DavidL
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I wanted a 996 n/a but as well as internet reading I spoke to a few good indies and they were definitely making conscious changes to some procedures, both sales and service, because of this problem. One had a 3rd party warranty just to cover these problems, everything else they fixed themselves. Another was making some space allowances in the workshop because of the regularity of the rebuild.
It was more than enough for me not to buy one so I bought a turbo instead. Its a shame as my thought process regarding the type of car I needed was spot on and the turbo is a little OTT for daily ish use but I think the na car would have been ideal.
Its just my opinion but it did put me off.
If I buy another 911 it will be a gen 2 997 na.
It was more than enough for me not to buy one so I bought a turbo instead. Its a shame as my thought process regarding the type of car I needed was spot on and the turbo is a little OTT for daily ish use but I think the na car would have been ideal.
Its just my opinion but it did put me off.
If I buy another 911 it will be a gen 2 997 na.
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