EBC Orange Stuff?

[Richair]

Fair enough! The Pagids are top drawer pads to be fair and I've heard of people getting a fair few events out of a set of RS2-9's so they're well worth money.

I can can only compare the PFC's to RS4-2's and they offered better performance, but more dust. I would like to try the RS2-9's though, do you know if Pagid do them for the AP Racing CP8250-D41 backing plate?

 

[Cater_Racer]

I can't say I understand all this, how is it that some pads only last 20 mins and Yellow stuff is such crap, when we've run yellow stuff for a whole season (yes only one set) and they are only now getting down to the end?

We've done 6 x 40 minute races and 6 x 30 minute qualifying on these pads, yes they are worn, but not totally knackered.

It's not as if we are not quick, look at last weekend's times, we were quicker than the 968CS and the 944 modern classics (both a second lap slower than us) Okay there are guy's out there quicker than us but there always will be.

So how come you can only make a set of pads last 20 minutes? Are the brakes binding?

 

[trackm3]

I need to get a 944 onntrack to see how they are on brakes as I can only talk from experience on other models so sorry if I'm wrong here, we ran EBC Orange in a 1280kg 440hp 66 mustang and at the end of 20mins they where on the backing plates, running large Kelsey Hayes calipers with cooling !

 

[Cater_Racer]

Is it an ABS thing? We've got ours disconnected, maybe that's why we're not heavy on pads?

 

[Richair]

A lot of it comes down to how heavy you are on the brakes; I'm by no means the last of the late brakers but my racing partner in much better on the brakes than me so he tends to put noticeably more wear on the pads than me... So what I'm getting at is if you are a very late and heavy braker you will 'blow through' lesser pads more quickly and risk fading them more due to building up more concentrated heat over a shorter duration.

I'm surprised you made the yellow stuff pads last that long though, although thinking about it when I've used EBC pads in the past they have always been very durable. It was simply in the performance stakes where they were lacking, both in bite and resistance to fade. Given the tiny pad area of the standard Brembos I really am surprised that you've not experienced any fade with them...

 

[Cater_Racer]

That might be it Richard, the lack of ABS forces you to be more progressive and maybe that's why Tom is aware that at times the opposition manage to out-brake him.

I'm beginning to think that Mintex 1155's could be a good compromise, I have them on the front of the rally car, and they are durable with good feel. I was just a bit cautious that the are also a road approved compound, but with everyone claiming to get through pads at ten times the rate we've experienced, we are obviously making lesser demands upon them so 1155's could do it.

Gerry

 

[Tommys86]

All interesting stuff guys, how I read it below we have...
EBC - don't bother
PFC compound 11 for £111 - advised good cost effective sub but not 'belt and braces'
Ferodo DS3000 in for £146 - mixed review
RS14 £172 and RS29 £190 - Recommended but not so cost effective!

Tempted to say you buy a set of PFC and Ferodos DS3000 for £257 and run a set each at Spa? Not so cost effective but it would bottom out a winner, plus if for whatever reason we don't get on with a pad choice we could swap them out. Let's be honest we used EBC yellowstuff for half a season so we ain't travelling fast enough to use the RS's! haha

 

[Cater_Racer]

Update - We went for PFC RS4's and they have vastly improved braking, very happy with the selection.

I found them progressive and strong, Tom did manage to outbrake himself into Le Combe at the end of the Kemmel straight, but the escape road proved effective.

Thanks everyone for your inputs.

Gerry

 

[edh]

Pagid RS4? (not PFC)

 

[trackm3]

RS4-2 is a great all round pad another inexpensive pad with very similar characteristics is the Brembo HP Sport ?

 

[Cater_Racer]

Sorry yes PFC Compound 11 - I threw the box away....

 

[333pg333]

Switching from EBC to PFC will put stresses on your eyeballs so much so is the difference. The bite is of the Great White level by comparison! You don't have to bed them in either although I always found it hard not to. I preferred them to Pagid Blacks too. This was back in 2010 when the car was still road registered with circa 350whp and 1250kgs. Big Red calipers and 322mm rotors.

 

[Cater_Racer]

Switching from EBC to PFC will put stresses on your eyeballs so much so is the difference. The bite is of the Great White level by comparison! You don't have to bed them in either although I always found it hard not to. I preferred them to Pagid Blacks too. This was back in 2010 when the car was still road registered with circa 350whp and 1250kgs. Big Red calipers and 322mm rotors.

That's been our experience Patrick much improved stopping power. When Tom outbraked himself he stopped the wheels but not the car

Gerry

 

[333pg333]

Ha, yes, know that feeling Gerry. In fact I started to get a bit of lockup (standard booster / no abs) as I braked deeper into corners. Once the booster was removed and switched to pedal box that problem seemed to abate. We're going to try a Japanese pad next. Not entirely sure why, only that it's provided and recommended by the same people that we bought the Alcon calipers from. Circo M207 fwiw.

 

[944 man]

Has anyone tried Carbon Lorriane? They used to be difficult to find and harder to find a fitment list for, but I have a set for my series one car somewhere in my garage. IIRC I found them listed for a 931, or 911 with the same caliper.

Anyway, Id be interested to hear of peoples experience with them. After my experience of EBC pads on a bike Id have to say that if EBC is the answer, then youre asking the wrong question!

 

[Tommys86]

For the record my out braking happen in the wet!.... but it did happen...think I got a tad carried away with the overtaking []

Car felt so right even in the wet, nice feeling overtaking 911s, checked my position when I pitted - started around 35th and got to 15th (probably a few early stoppers) - shame the safety car screwed us royally.

As people have mentioned these switched on at turn 4 couldn't believe it - almost zero bedding in?! Sure the other brands and pads may well do a better/different job but for the price I couldn't fault them.

I'd rather save 100 odd quid and use that on upgrades! How much is a promax chip... []