Engine mounts

[leepox]

Hello again, I am currently on the lookout for engine mounts and can't seem to find it anywhere. After a bit of reading it seems that the mounts have been redesigned and I might need to buy new bolts on top of the mount.

So far I have found this site
http://www.porscheshop.co.uk/acatalog/porsche_924_engine_components.html#a115
£75 ish for one 'uprated' turbo mount

Anybody else can point me in the right direction?

Also I am thinking of adding more heat shielding (DIY) for the exhaust side mount unless someone have any more suggestions?

Cheers guys!

 

[T911UK]

There are 3 options, Genuine Porsche at £135 each, OEM Meyle at £55 each or aftermarket at £35 each. All have been superceeded to the latest version. Bolts are worth changing anyhow, £1.50 each (the prices in that link are a disgrace)

 

[edh]

I think we can all agree that some "porsche" branded suppliers don't always provide the best value (or service, judging from things I've read over the years) In my experience, suppliers you can trust include Frazerpart Berlyn Design 911 Type 911 Porsche Centre prices are sometime surprisingly good (and better than suppliers who buy in from Porsche then re-sell..). Also worth checking eurocarparts / carparts4less sometimes

 

[leepox]

Thanks for the heads up! I've found that eurocarparts have them for either £50 (Q-Drive) or £75 (Meyle). The cheapest one seems to be a £30 one http://www.frazerpart.com/acatalog/944__all_models__924S___968_engine_mount.html I am confused which one to get Any experience with longevity on these? Also

 

[944 man]

Avoid the cheaper mounts. They'll not be proper fluid filled parts, they'll be harsh and they wont last. Avoid Pork Chop at all costs. For these Id add JMG to your list of prospective suppliers. The advantage that Jon has is that his practical experience means that he can be sure that he is selling you a fluid filled mount.

 

[edh]

oh yes - I forgot JMG - and after he sold me such a lovely steering shaft this year as well btw the Frazerpart unit is listed as a Meyle item - might be worth giving Max a call to confirm it's a proper hydraulic mount [link]http://www.frazerpart.com/acatalog/944__all_models__924S___968_engine_mount.html[/link]

 

[leepox]

Just called em up and it's a non-hydraulic mount. Eurocarparts ones seem to be hydraulics. Edit: Just got two from design911 for £100 and they confirmed it is in fact hydraulic. Also would I need new bolts for this? And last Q: Does anyone know where I can get a power steering reservoir? Cheers! (EDIT: Just found out that BMW's use the same part? 32411097164)

 

[Hallsy]

Double check the ecp Meyle one, when I last checked they were solid, even though they were called hydro mounts or something implying they were fluid filled.

 

[J.C944TurboMan]

I just fitted a pair of Frazer £30 mounts to my S2 and they are spot on . All the race upgraded mounts are solid mounts , so I do not understand the need for hydraulic engine mounts . I real ball ache of a job to do , are you fitting them yourself or having them fitted at a garage ?

 

[leepox]

I'm planning on fitting them myself with my dads help. Was just wondering if i need to buy new bolts (it's pretty hard to find them). Not looking forward, since a lot of people seem to hate doing it.

 

[J.C944TurboMan]

The weight of the engine pushes the engine mount down , so I would say clean up the old ones and refit mate . Only thing you might find a pain in the back side , are the threads in the mounts and lining them up . I put a drill bit straight through one side and used a lock nut . Tip is to disconnect the steering shaft from the top UJ joint just under the clutch fluid pot . This allows the cross member to drop further down , I undone the bottom arms , so the cross member was free. Passenger side is easy , but drivers side is a pain . I sat my 944 on two stands on the chassis legs, some plywood in between. Place a jack under the engine sump , so you can jack up the engine. If you have access to a two poster ramp ? It is much easier to do . If you need to replace any bushes on the bottom arms or anti roll bar ? This would be a good time to incorporated into the job in hand. If you need any support ? You tube is good !! Or ask here as you go along

 

[edh]

I'm sure when I bought them I got new bolts from the same supplier. It's a nasty job to do on axle stands in a cold garage, but pretty easy with a lift in a proper workshop. There's a how-to in the FAQ's I think, but in this instance, the long way is the quick way - drop the crossmember. I didn't & it felt like it took me the best part of the weekend, mainly trying to manoeuvre the old mount out & then get the new (taller) one in and seated.

 

[leepox]

turboman, I am pretty sure with all that write-up I am covered for all possibilities. Thank you! Looks like I am going on a youtube search after this. It's one of those things that in theory, sounds simple, but in practice is a pita. And yes, it will be in a cold garage on axle stands. Really not looking forward to that. But so far in my understanding: push the engine up a bit, drop the cross member, take the old one out, slide the new one in. How difficult can it get right? (You'll hear back from me as to how I found it )

 

[Indi9xx]

For some reason Porsche originally specified the 924S to have the solid mounts and the 944 models to all have the hydraulic ones. Unusually, even on the 924S, the solid mounts only seem to last a couple of years.. But the 944 parts last 10 to 15 years as a rule, so not sure why they ever specified a solid mount for the 924S. Anyway, the 924S parts are the ones you get from almost all the suppliers as a rule, and as someone has mentioned, I do not blame the suppliers for thinking they are hydraulic, due to the wording on the box they come in. One quick trick to know if you need mounts or not, on the 8v cars, the lower distributor screw centre line should be above the top of the bar that goes between the headlights, only just, but it should be.. Once they are shot the screw becomes harder to access as it sinks lower and lower in line with the bar, making it hard to get a screwdriver onto it. The official way is to measure the distance between the flanges on the mounts, but that involves getting under the car, taking the under trays off and then wishing you had two elbows in each arm, unless you have a lift, but even then it can be a pain.

 

[J.C944TurboMan]

Hi Jon, in my case I did not have to measure anything ! The vibration from the steering Column was shocking on acceleration . It felt as if the car was shaking it self t peace's ! The engine mount bracket from the engine was vibrating the steering Column , feels like a new car now and so much nicer to drive Lee , I removed the steering rack away from the cross member , but left the track rod ends still attached to the hubs . I would say just take your time and make sure that you tighten all big bolts up nice and tight when you rebuild it all . I tend to do a QC check all nuts are tight . If you need any guidance through out the job , me or Jon will be more that willing to talk you through it mate Us 944 freaks are a rare breed and stick together like Lemmings

 

[leepox]

Haha! It seems like it, it's for the best really. Given that I am already planning on buying an S2 after this one (pre-facelift lux 2.5)

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Given the massive amount of work involved, this has GOT to be a case where you'd buy the best parts for the sake of a few £s extra? Who'd want to do it all again in, as Jon says, a couple of years with the cheaper ones? The OEM versions have lasted up to 25 years!

 

[Hallsy]

That's my feeling Paul. If they last a good 10-15 years, and it'sa bit of a ballaching job for the home mechanic, then why cheap out just to be doing it again in a few years. Most people complain of vibration or similar when the mounts fail, so why replace with a solid one? Surely a hydraulic one offers better vibration isolation?

 

[J.C944TurboMan]

I am only finding out now the life span ! And trust me when I say if I would have know before I did the job ? I would have opted for better mounts . I think the main problem on the drivers side engine mount , might be the heat coming from the exhaust manifold ? The passenger side mount was an orange type mount and was still fine , it was mainly the drivers side mount that was blitz . If I still own this S2 in a few years time , I will update with the wear and tear of the new mounts . I do not use the S2 much so hopefully the mount is not subjected to excessive heat and might last longer ?? Lee I would most definitely recommend you buy an S2 mate ! There is a fairly cheap one on ebay now and also been offered on the forum under items for sale , it has black sills and high miles ?? You might be better off paying a little more and buying a real nice clean , well maintained example . The S2 main thing to look out for is the dreaded cam chain tensioner slides , apart from that it is a great fun 944 to drive and good for 160mph. I am happy with my S2 and it brings me joy every time I take it out for a spin It stands me at around 2.5K and you would be pushed to get another car that drives the same as the S2 ! I have owned a 944 Turbo in the past . Standard they have bad Turbo lag and then when you start tweaking them up , it becomes explosive throttle wanting to give you whiplash on gear changes The S2 has smooth power all the way through and good power , I have a power chip fitted and K&N not cat with Janspeed exhaust , ample power for now. I would like an LSD gear box for a little more tail end fun in the future . My S2 is lethal in the wet ! 1 2 3rd kicking out the back end , that is part the fun

 

[leepox]

Yep, not too worried about the engine mount lasting too long since I might only end up keeping this for a year if not 6 months! It was more of an impulse buy since I got it dirt cheap (don't worry I took into account the porsche tax) and thought I'll have fun with it this coming summer. The 2.5 is plentiful but I am just imagining what it would be like with a 3.0 litre already! Given that an ecu upgrade+afm and other small bits can get it up to 280hp easy by the looks of it. But for now, I'll see what I can do with this one... I really would like to keep it since the pre-facelift dash just looks so retro. Or maybe I'll just end up with an engine swap. And as you've mentioned, putting an LSD in. I am a big drift fan, not that I am drifiting this car. Maybe just a bit. Who knows what's gonna happen with this car (I certainly don't). And this is my first porsche ever. Not my last cuz I got my eyes on a 911 197x widebody But that will take me quite a few years.