First dibs on my Turbo now for sale :-[

[Hilux]

I thought I`d mention on here first as I`ve seen a few enquiries

My Turbo is for sale [&o]

I dont use it like I thought I would so its time to move on and I am investing as hard as I can in property and shares so the money will be useful.

Proper 1988.5 Turbo with 250 bhp (proven) as per factory figures and in particular with very good torque (so very quick) with boost enhancer

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............................no sunroof, how cool and rare is that [8|]............................ as its a Silver Rose spec car but without the Silver Rose upholstery

10 speaker system

Gearbox oil cooler

Hardened 1st and 2nd gears

968 colour co-ordinated mirrors

It had Mo30 which is rubbish so at some considerable expense I had it fitted with KWV3 with Weltmeister ARB`s so it corners flatter than a flat thing but is fine on the road due to the KW bypass valve.

Rear torsion bar was also reindexed so it is lowered and set up properly and safely

Almost immaculate replica 17" Cup 1`s with good tyres

968 castor mounts fitted due to the 17" wheels, its been properly set up, no wander, no tramlining

Front end resprayed after a numpty dented the bonnet and front badge panel revesing into it so its shinier than a shiney thing and has brand new fog/driving lights [8D]

Interior is fine, a few scuffs here and there with carpets almost as new and original overmats (problem is its in Burgundy) no issue for me as its the overall car condition thats important but be warned, everything is Burgundy, its as if a can of Burgundy paint exploded inside the car []

Toolkit, compressor etc

Serviced by Promax who replaced anything that was needed

Belts done two years ago

Brakes refurbished so no plate lift

Nearly new drilled and vented discs

Basically its sorted so should be reliable.

Burns oil (via Turbo I am told) if severely thrashed but (in my hands) its only done 4 track days before the recent paint job [] but what do you expect for 130,000 miles

Some rusting was evident inside the cills but its been treated and cills are fine apart from chips etc

Front wing bottoms are solid

Fuel pipes checked and are ok

A/C needs regassing I am told, I cant be asked to do it and then see if it leaks again but it has climate control (I dont use it enough to worry)

Brand new alarm just fitted (I ensured all the old ones were removed totally so no more issues/conflicts)

Tons and tons of history and paperwork/service book etc etc

In theory I`ve spent the money so somone should get a reliable car that requires only looking after and servicing

Its a good un, its a genuinely quick one, its in a modern colour so looks particularly contemporary, its fully sorted so am looking for £6000

Edited to add: It doesnt leak, its dry, it will stay dry, in other words its not wet inside the car its never been wet and not likely to (which is nice) []

Edited again to add it has a new windscreen ( a chip grew quickly into a crack due to the stiffer KW) and the brake calipers have been refurbed so no plate lift

Regards

Paul


PS: I also have................

Front Mo30`s and f/r ARB`s - what are they worth?

Part worn PF pads

Turbo sump to play around with baffles (I thought the oil leak it had was a broken sump corner but it was just a leak and fixed!!!!!)

 

[rav]

Paul,

Sounds a very nice car and the pictures show a well cared for car that has been sympathetically modified.

Please PM me a price - I am 'on the rebound' after missing this car today http://pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?g=&s=81&filter=&o=&pc=&min=&max=&txt=&px=&p=5&pagesize=15&xsl=list&y1=&y2=&d=0&dist=&nodays=0
Its the top car - black 1989 944 turbo se.

Genuine car £895 - went in hours.

Im sure that this car will be slightly more and hence out of my price range, but worth a look.......

 

[TTM]

A very nice-looking car with a great suspension set up.
Sorry but I think £6000 is way too cheap.

 

[Hilux]

Is it?

How much should I ask then?

Its not concours but it is very tidy.

 

[edh]

I think you'd struggle to get much more for it, although there aren't many good turbos for sale at the moment. Advertising at 6 makes people think you wll take much less - & you start to get daft offers. Might be worth starting a bit higher - you're in no great hurry to sell I presume?

I wonder what it would be worth without the KW's etc..? I think that's the trouble though - mods don't add a huge amount of value, & only a few people will recognise the major significance of the KW / Weltmeister upgrade.

Slightly OT - Has Fen sold his car yet?

 

[Hilux]

I think you'd struggle to get much more for it, although there aren't many good turbos for sale at the moment. Advertising at 6 makes people think you wll take much less - & you start to get daft offers. Might be worth starting a bit higher - you're in no great hurry to sell I presume?

I wonder what it would be worth without the KW's etc..? I think that's the trouble though - mods don't add a huge amount of value, & only a few people will recognise the major significance of the KW / Weltmeister upgrade.

I`m in no hurry and will ask £6K, silly offers will get a silly response []

You`re right about mods, spot on. This is the first hobby car thats cost (lost) me money.

If it doesnt sell I`ll pootle about in it until it does []

 

[pauly]

You will probably make more overall if you sell the car and goodies seperately.

 

[Frenchy]

You WILL miss it, i bought mine back after 4 years and have been out and about in it this week flippin great ! noisy and the suspension is solid with a fair old few squeaks and rattles.....great ! massive overtaking ability[] the car got some serious staring at around the north lakes yesterday.
Finding another decent one in a couple of years time will be a big task !

 

[Neil Haughey]

ORIGINAL: pauly

You will probably make more overall if you sell the car and goodies seperately.

100% agree, I spotted a KW set last year for sale secondhand for about a grand, they went straight away. I would say take the KW and ARB's off, put the M030 stuff back on and sell the goodies.

If I didn't already have 2x of these cars I would be very very tempted, that looks like one hell of a car.

 

[Hilux]

100% agree, I spotted a KW set last year for sale secondhand for about a grand, they went straight away. I would say take the KW and ARB's off, put the M030 stuff back on and sell the goodies.

If I didn't already have 2x of these cars I would be very very tempted, that looks like one hell of a car.

I appreciate I could sell it seperately BUT I am also aware that whatever you fit and spec on (what is afterall) a specialist interest car is not appreciated in these quarters I`ll wait and see if there are any takers on here if not its P/H or the `bay'

If you buy a Westy or Radical etc the punters generally know what to look for and value enhancements but not (I feel) in this particular market. You can spend 20K on a 951 and still only ever get the market value for the buyers that desire and want them are few and far between and even rarer are the ones that understand the enhancements hence it goes for what the market will (should) pay..................ho hum.

 

[George Elliott]

Paul, I am really sorry to hear you are planning to part company with your car.
As Neil comments, it is a lovely car, dont apologise, if thats what you were doing for anything on it - its how Porsche made it and thats the best way (allowing for a few quality enhancements like KW).
No-sunroof is worth £1k; in hassle from leaks, stripped gears, worn seals and you can polish the roof easily IMO, plus its from the Turbo Cup era.
Original cars are really rare. There is 100k miles life in the car if its maintained.
I saw the 200k plus miler last night for £895. I would have rated it tired, but a straight old thing.
Yours is in a totally different league.
If you dont mind me saying, I'd sell it - dont give it away. 8 no-offers was the right number with kw.
Good luck with the bricks & mortar
George

 

[pauly]

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

No-sunroof is worth £1k; in hassle from leaks, stripped gears, worn seals and you can polish the roof easily IMO,

I prefer them without a sunroof but I can't see that being worth a grand, you could probably fit a second hand skin and headlining for half that.

 

[Hilux]

Thanks all for kind comments however over the past few months there have been people on here allegedly searching for good Turbos and saying there were none on the market.

On this basis I posted mine here first and will persist BUT its gone very quiet out there and I feel that is exactly the state of the market (or Meerkat)

Ever onwards................................

 

[steve 944t]

looks like a real bargain for someone. Mine is similar spec ie turbo S with KW, but without the Weltmeisters. I certainly wouldn't sell mine for that price so am inclined to say this is way too cheap,but who really knows?
If you are in no great hurry then this forum would seem a good place to sell - people can do a bit of a search on your previous posts on here to get a feel for how your car has been treated. In your case that should give peace of mind to a potential purchaser.
Best of luck with the sale, but put the price up []

 

[bennyboy]

Best of luck with the sale, but put the price up

Seconded! Mine will shortly be not so far off this spec and I would certainly hope to get more than £6k for it when I eventually trade it in for an NSX or Esprit V8 (opens huge can of worms with tongue in cheek after an hour on PH classifieds section!)

 

[Neil Haughey]

ORIGINAL: bennyboy

when I eventually trade it in for an NSX

You might need to get your skates on. The NSX is one of those rare cars that seems to have been completely unaffected by the crunch, that and the story is that the Japanese are buying them back from the UK. One thing for sure is I haven't seen a cheap 3.2 in ages and the face lift ones are still set at very high prices for what is now a several year old car.

 

[Hilux]

Thanks, I appreciate the sentiments, I will probably try for more (it owes me money) but when you see the price of Boxters and Z4`s let alone the other machinery out there for no money I am not sure what it SHOULD fetch.

Its a real shame as I love the car to bits but I really like light, quick cars I can constantly tinker with and mess and experiment with that arent to complicated or desirable to mess with so I can play with different suspension, engines and gear boxes but at a realistic cost. If I did to the Turbo what I`m doing to the Golf project it would be a very very limited market that would buy it and the cost/sale differential would be even greater. I`m afraid the smile factor the Golf has on me at the moment was the final straw so hopefully someone will get a genuinely quick car with superb road/track manners.

 

[TTM]

What do you have as an everyday car?
If you have a fair distance to drive to work (say 50 miles) then I would suggest you use it everyday - after all that's what they were built for in the first place, and you already have the best suspension set up for that.

 

[sawood12]

I think you are best selling with the KW's installed. You may only get a grand for the KW's on their own (which would be giving them away) but by the time you've paid a few hundred quid to have your M030 stuff re-installed and aligned, you'd only net £700, which is way too cheap to be letting KW go for. With KW on the car you are saving the buyer of the car the cost and hassle of installation and though you wont get your money back 100% you'll get £1k and probably even £1500 over and above the price the car is worth with stock suspension. I'd say your asking price for this car should be £6k with stock suspenstion so maybe £7500 or £8000 is a better asking price. Also might be worth having your A/C problems diagnosed. If it is ony a simple case of a gas recharge (£50) then selling the car with working A/C will be a big bonus - especially in a car with no sunroof!

I think you deserve to get a good fair price for this car Paul. You've looked after it well and cars as good as yours are hard to find so you are in a good barganing position. Mods can put people off, but good mods, like KW, should enhance the cars value and desirability - they do on 911's so why not 944's.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Thanks, I appreciate the sentiments, I will probably try for more (it owes me money) but when you see the price of Boxters and Z4`s let alone the other machinery out there for no money I am not sure what it SHOULD fetch.

An interesting point, we had a long chat about this in a pub on the home journey from an event.

I don't think you can value a good 944 against another car. Sure, you could get a Boxster for £7K, or an Alfa for £500, or a friend of mine sold a really unique M5 for £12 recently. It's all irellevant.

You buy a cheap e-bay 944 because you want a flash car for no money. We see them come and go, often quite quickly. [&:]

Decent cars sell to people who are looking for this car specifically. We often advise that you shouldn't worry about colour, spec etc., but go for condition and recent history. We are advising people how to buy a good 944, not how to buy a generic sports car for as little as possible.

You are going to take a hit if you sell at the bottom of the market. I know, I've just sold a house. [:'(][:'(] That doesn't matter if you are getting a bargain on buying something else, of course, but if you've spent more on it than you'll get back I don't understand why you'd not keep it until you find someone who appreciates it's real value and pays a premium?