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Hi, I'm a bit new to the world of Porsches but have had many a german car in the past (Those ones that come from Wolfsburg!) As far as I can see the only one's which I may be able to get insured on will be a 924 (I'm 23 with 1 years no claims coming soon touch wood!) What sort of money will get me a decent one and whats the best modle to go for? Loads I have seen have been neglected unfortunartly but I'm sure there must be some good examples owned by enthusiasts.
Also how rare are the 924 carrera GT's, they look very nice but probably out of my price/insurance range!
 
Hi, Paul.

Unfortunatly there's no easy answer to this one! Prices can be quite varied and the more expensive ones you see, are not always the best. I paid quite alot for mine but it came from a club member who was very much an enthusiast, and put the car in concourse competitions. I suppose it depends on how much work you want to do and how much cash you want to spend. However there is no such thing as a cheap porsche. As far of models go, then of course a standard 924 will be the cheapest to insure, but apparently the 2.5 ltr S is the one to go for. (especialy as its faster than the 944).

Andy
 
In its 160 bhp incarnation it is likely to just edge the 944 out as Porche decided to use the 160 bhp variant in both the '24 and '44 Late 87 on (typically these changes tended to be made in August), the majority of 924Ss were detuned to 150 bhp, giving the previous163 horse 944 the edge.
 
The next time you find hen's teeth or clean up some rocking horse poo then you might find a CGT. The last one I saw for sale in auto trader was £11,500. Beware clever replicas. Don't even think about buying one untill you know what to look for. Simple clues are the turbo intercooler under the lid,vin numbers wpozzz 938 for right hand and 937 for LHD, and I am sure that Ricky the register secretary will corect me if I am wrong, that's if "937carrera" doesn't do it first. Also look for flush fitted windscreen. Insurance at 23, well anything is possible at a price. As Andy says, the best to go for is the best 924 s you can afford, and there are some reasonable ones about for sensible money. Look at ebay, and Autotrader to get a feel for prices, there is a smatering. Don't let this put you off the two litre though. Fantasticlaly well balanced car, and goes for ever if serviced regularly. If you really want to go nuts there is, or was last week, a bronze 924 lux with a whisker over 21,000 miles from new, in showroom condition but I think possibly out of your price range at over £6,000. Get surfin'
 
Excellent, thanks for the advice guys! Apart from the obvious engine choice what are the main differences between the 924 and the 944?
Also what sort of performance can be obtained from the different models, I need a fast car again! My last quick one was a corrado G60 running 220bhp but obviously that was hampered with front wheel drive, I'm guessing the porsche would out-handle that without much modification?
 
As a long term 924 owner (I have owned a 924 Lux for nearly 10 years and a 924 Turbo for 18 months) I can recommend them. I also own a 911S but often prefer to use the '24.

Because of the curtrent (low) value there is no such thing as a restoration project. It is either a good serviceable car or it is autojumble. taking the usual models (not Carrera GT) into consideration my thinking is as follows.

Standard 924 or Lux. Civilised and easy to live with. Good daily driver. Reasonably economical. Not a rocket ship but has a respectable turn of speed when urged. Brilliant road golding (this from a Lotus Elan owner!!) adequate brakes. Strange electrics.

924 Turbo (931) Much, much faster. Better brakes. Smoother. Even better handling. Capable of showing many 911's and a few Boxsters the way home. Scares the crap out of kiddies in hot (ish) hatchbacks who think it is a standard 924. Caution The turbochargers are delicate and will not stand abuse see if the turbo has been changed recently. Look for a series 2 they are far better than the first model and the easy way to recognise them is that they have side repeater indicators just above the front wheel arch.

924S The best all round version. basically it is a 944 in a 924 body. 2.5 engine. Brakes are better than the basic 924. It is the smoothest of the range and a good entry to Porschedom.
 
Excellent, looks like the 924s is the one to go for then, either that or save up a bit more and go for the 944 with the same engine, which in my opinion is a bit more pleasing to the eye and appears to have a wider track so may handle slightly better!? Has anyone owned both a 924 and a 944?
 
ORIGINAL: Paul 8v

Excellent, looks like the 924s is the one to go for then, either that or save up a bit more and go for the 944 with the same engine, which in my opinion is a bit more pleasing to the eye and appears to have a wider track so may handle slightly better!? Has anyone owned both a 924 and a 944?

Having driven both 924S and 944 ( 2.5, 2.7 and Turbo) I prefer the 924S. The 924 seems more responsive and is lighter and has less rolling resistance, thats why it was faster.

To my taste the 924 (all models except Carrera GT*) have a purity of line whereas the 944 gave way to 1980's overstatement as did many of the 911range. There is something about the classic lines of an early 911 without whale tails and overwide arches and the same goes for the 924.

*924 Carrera GT owners please note that this is not a critisism of your cars, they were built for a purpose and look how well they did it.
 
Yep. There is a bit more body roll on the 24 as standard, but there are too many tunes that can be played on in the way of suspension mods to mention. For example, I bought a series 1 924 t from ebay that seems to have had every possible upgrade in that department and with the suspension set up and 16" Boxster wheels I am pretty sure it has the same sort of feel as my old 944s, but compared to the garage queen ( 944 turbo cab) it is still a bit softer.
 
I second Geoff's comments about the purity of line. Although I had one for the hell of it, I never really percieved the front of my (pre S2) 944S as particularly aesthetically pleasing. I do however consider the 944S2 to have finished off the job.

As Geoff says, there is a penalty for pushing those 215 series and wider tyres though the air.
 

ORIGINAL: geoff ives


924 Turbo (931) Much, much faster. Better brakes. Smoother. Even better handling. Capable of showing many 911's and a few Boxsters the way home. Scares the crap out of kiddies in hot (ish) hatchbacks who think it is a standard 924. Caution The turbochargers are delicate and will not stand abuse see if the turbo has been changed recently. Look for a series 2 they are far better than the first model and the easy way to recognise them is that they have side repeater indicators just above the front wheel arch.

My first Porsche and without any doubt a fantastic car, if you have never driven one you don't know what you have missed. Very fond memories of this car more than any other I have owned. MAGIC[:)]
 
So how would you guys compare 924 Turbo vs. 944 S? I'd imagine 924 Turbo has a rougher feel to it but it does not matter if it is faster. [:)] Is it?

I have owned '84 944 and now I have 944 S. They are great cars and I really, really like them. However, since I was kid I have been longing for a 924 Turbo. I had some sort poster/picture about 924 T when I was a small boy and this car has been a mystical thing to me ever since because they are so rare in Finland. They are maybe 10 cars here. None of them are for sale...

So if I'd like to have one I should go to Germany. But I feel that the prices are going up for good examples (in Germany --> www.mobile.de ). I would have to pay around 8000 euros for a good one. I know there are cheaper cars around but I'm not interested those crappy, sad looking ones.

I'm just hesitating a bit because I have noticed that 924 Turbos are dirt cheap in US and even in England. I wonder how the cars value is going to be in the future. They are much more rare than 944's, so a very nice example should keep it's value also in the future?

 
In the UK, due to the peaky nature of the twin cam engine driving the 944 S was a bit like driving a turbo with a bit less lag. Reach about 3800 rpm and the 944 S would catapult forward not unlike a turbo engine coming on boost.

I have never seen 152 mph ( 245 kph ) on the speedo of my 924 T, but many years ago....... in my 944 S.

According to Porsche's own blurb, one the main assets of the 16 valve engine was that it enabled Porsche to offer about 160 bhp in both 8v non-catalysed and 16v catalysed eninges. That meant that in the UK a non-cat ( and mine was) 944 S would offer 187 bhp. with the much less drag ridden flush windscreen my 944 S was easily faster than my 924 T .
A contemporary road test of the 944 S in Motor magazine revealed it to be capable of 0 - 60 mph in either 6.1 or 6.9 seconds ( I can't remeber now), from a real time test, better than the 8v overall although Motor did note that the 8v was maginally quicker to 30 mph.
 
My cars manual says it has 190 hp and 0-62 in 7,8 seconds. That is somewhat how it actually feels. Power is very nice between 4000-5000 rpm but it lasts only for a moment.

924 Turbo is lighter and has more torque than 944 S. This is why I thought it would be faster. That turbo boost must feel somewhere, right?
 
Between November 2005 and February this year I had the permenent use of a 944S as well as my 924Turbo.

I did not have the oportunity to use either of them at more than 100mph (who does?) and this is what I thought. Please excuse the directness I am saying it as I found it. The 944S felt like a barge next to the 924 Turbo, The exceleration msy have been similar but it didn't feel like it, the 924T took off whereas the 944S arrived at the speed. The 924T can be thrown around but the 944S felt like it was on cotton wool. OK I must admit that I don't like power steering in sports cars, fine in family saloons but I want to experience driving when I am doing it for fun.

Servicing hasn't been mentioned. Cam belts? 924... £9 to buy and 20 minutes to fit even for an idiot like me. No special tools.
Now lets hear it for the 944 twin cam!

In Februaruy I had to deliver the 944S to Ireland and it was like saying goodbye to a relative who has overstayed their welcome.
 
The 944S felt like a barge next to the 924 Turbo

I presume barge is some sort of slow boat in english? [:)]

Thanks for the comments and sorry Paul 8v for hijacking this thread. I'm just very interested about the 931.
 
Geoff this isn't a competition. I had my 944 S on the track at Castle Combe, and it was way better. It felt very nimble, and the incumbent RO at the time said that in the wet he couldn't get past me in his 911, and he drove single seaters, so I took his comments to mean that I was going quite quickly on a damp track. The series 1 924 t with its switch like boost would have tried to swap ends out of quarry. With the coventional european favoured ratios, with a disproportionately wide gap between second and third, the 44 S was either needing about 4,200 rpm in second, or 3,100 in third and thus going "off the boil", so as I wanted to drive it back home I settled for the latter. With the lower gearing of the 924 t, I suggest there would be little usable revs left in second, or ready to swap ends in third being nicely placed to hit high boost the moment the turbo spooled up.

Following a Cayman the other day, exiting a roundabout at 5:00 am in the wet the back of my Series 2 let go needing a momentary adjustment as the turbo started to go on boost, i.e. 2,900 -3,100 revs, in second. As you know, 3000 in second "aint that quick" at about 29 ish miles per hour. Furthermore, my 924T has just had new shocks all round about 3,000 miles ago. My 944 S had only coverd 57,000 at the time so was probably still quite taut. That said the shocker casings were yellow suggesting the fitting of Konis at some time, and mine had the alloy suspension arms.

Mark Bennet a former 944 S owner said his 944 S never suffered any of the "debilitating" characteristics of the S, which he believed to be the result of the gas flowing of the cylinder-head. I have to restate that my 944 S did not just arrive at the speed. Whack it in a gear to bring up 3700 revs and then floor the throttle and hang on. Way quicker than a 1.9 Peugeot GTI as he found out to his cost when he cut up my wife who was following me over to AFN Guildford and tried to stitch me up us well. He ended up overtaking an empty space in the road. Impatient tw*t, but like I say you had to keep it over 3800 whereupon it would pull hard right up to the red line. Was it 6,800, from memory? I am talking 12 years ago here.

By the way it's no big deal doing the belts. Even an self confessed "idiot" like you could do it. Clean off all the gunge and every thing is marked. The pulleys have "V" marks and the back plates have pointers. Line it all up before you dismantle. Tension? Well the old 100degree twist rule will get you to somewhere with the proper tensioning tool, if you forget to measure the gap between the adjuster and the idler before you take the old belts off, after all, the belts dont vary in length, and heaven forbid they should stretch that much.

The cambelt on the 924 should be tensioned with the proper tool, too, to be fair.

Yes the belts are more expensive but so are many other similar components, like the brake pads, tyres, screen washer jets.
 
John.
For a single run cam belt I consider that my fingers ARE the propper tool. This has stood me in good stead for years with a variety of engines including big Ducati's.

I too have had my 931 series 2 out of line at low speeds but only on poor road surfaces when trying to prove something.Fun isn't it? As far as beating a 911 round corners that is just why I favour my 931 to my 911S.
 

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