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PSH said:But is 4WD safer?... not according to the tests shown by IIRC 5th Gear.. RWD is by far the best for keeping the car going in the right direction when a sudden hazzard appears... think of iirc the poor toy bunny...In fact I have personal experience of what happened to my son when driving a highly modified Evo....and witnessing a Porsche 993TT...both would never have happened in 2WD cars, be it front or rear wheel driven....
Just saying....you can ditch that ABS crap too...once it engages, you've already increased your stopping distance.
We have too much driver assist crap these days, self drive and most dangerous of all being brake assist....there are plenty of horror stories out there on that one...lol
But then we aren't all driving gods. 25 year old ABS might not be as good as modern ABS but no matter how super human you might be you can't know when a wheel is going to lock and modulate accordingly in every situation (on the road - you do have more of a chance on track having been over the same bit of tarmac time and time again) so you may or may not be providing the optimum braking at that time.
I have been fortunate to have driven many cars over the years, including on tracks and test tracks. 944's of many types are undeniable fun and engaging but there is other stuff which will deliver spectacular (and more) speed, cornering performance, braking etc.... with a great less effort. My only criticism of the Cayenne Turbo (for example) is it is way too quick for its size and it is ugly...my two main criticisms of the Cayenne Turbo is it is too quick for its size, it is ugly and only Range Rover should make quick comfortable SUV's because that is the way it should be....my three.....
Not blessed with God like second sight I couldn't comment on the efficacy of this.
PSH said:
If you define safer as going less fast then certainly 2wd will help.
I like driving in the wet (and snow and Ice!) 4wd will certainly accelerate faster, wont necessarily stop any quicker though, My A6 quattro would allow a certain amount of sideways to develop under heavy breaking on ice to assist with the stopping which is clever. The TC used to give up around the point of maximum torque and let you spin all the wheels as well if you had your foot down hard, but it also let you switch off the systems too. I remember a very pleasurable afternoon 'Ken Blocking' it around a car park in the snow - precise donuts around the lamposts were easy with 4wd and recovery from major slip angles much easier than 2wd.
ABS on a 944 can be beaten, I have usually backed off a little before the second trigger, modern abs does that anyway and maximises the retardation. When you are truly in a panic situation you may well not be able to modulate the brakes however hard you try to tell your brain to ease the pedal and ABS will still allow you to steer with some control.
Tony
ABS on a 944 can be beaten, I have usually backed off a little before the second trigger, modern abs does that anyway and maximises the retardation. When you are truly in a panic situation you may well not be able to modulate the brakes however hard you try to tell your brain to ease the pedal and ABS will still allow you to steer with some control.
Tony
924Srr27l
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Will this Modern Porsche be Deemed slow in 45 years ?
420 hp/309 kWPower (hp)/Power (kW)4.4 sAcceleration from 0 - 100 km/h304 km/hTop speed
https://www.porsche.com/international/models/718/718-cayman-gt4/?fbclid=IwAR0URytT6eycyhwZQUMvPCQqRJqbf7zcERehrYxwyaBigrfMwQpMxhcHzBE
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420 hp/309 kWPower (hp)/Power (kW)4.4 sAcceleration from 0 - 100 km/h304 km/hTop speed
https://www.porsche.com/international/models/718/718-cayman-gt4/?fbclid=IwAR0URytT6eycyhwZQUMvPCQqRJqbf7zcERehrYxwyaBigrfMwQpMxhcHzBE
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924Srr27l said:
When you can buy a family 4 door saloon that will do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds today
https://www.tesla.com/model3
I'm thinking the answer will probably be yes.
PSH
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Actually, in 45 years times it's very likely that there will be no more personally owned transport unless pedal power.. with the UK now enshining in law a zero emmissions law by 2050 and other countries likely to follow suit, this can only be achieved with drastic restriction on vehicle use of any type. The EU is due to pass a law were vehicle emmisions have to include production. That rules electric out as it's emmissions would then be twice that of a diesel. There are big changes a coming and in my lifetime too...
Enjoy your cars while you still can chaps, you ain't got long.
Enjoy your cars while you still can chaps, you ain't got long.
924Srr27l
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John Sims said:
That's the oldest Pub debate ever isn't it John ? What's the 0- 60 time ??
It's often and mostly debated by those that like to travel in straight lines ! and since the Romans went out of fashion there's not many roads these days
that are smooth and flat not to mention just straight!
Speed and quick has many different definitions all dependent on what an individual aspires to or prefers...
Some see the 0-60 as the ultimate test, others whats it's top speed? or how fast does it corner.
Very rarely do many car's do all 3, and the ultimate test in my opinion for this is on a Race circuit, not the traffic light grand prix (Unless there' s an S bend, a roundabout and some cambers involved!)
Do you refer to that family Saloon as the Model S P85D (691bhp) ? which is about £80,000 and won't corner like a Porsche!
Auto Express road test: The P85D is largely the same as the standard car, so while it’s rapid in a straight line, it feels rather heavy and inert in corners, with not much steering feedback and plenty of body roll.
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924Srr27l
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lukegueli said:haha in response to Ewan's comment I would like to say I am regularly monitoring the thread but happy to let a lot of the debates play out as I have little knowledge on some of the things discussed. A few also seem to stray from my original questionEwan said:
Good, I'm sure there's a lot of people that read and watch the activities and patterns as most questions get answered by a select number of long term forum members / contributors and a few negative responses!
Hows your hunt for a 944 or 24S going , Have you found any yet to view ? From your proposed budget I'd say you'll have a very good choice....
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924Srr27l said:John Sims said:
I'm sure Luke won't be changing his mind John and opting for a Model 3 Tesla @ £60,000 [
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Standard is shy of £40K performance is under £50K (as per my link to the Tesla Model 3 buying site - have you actually bothered to follow the link?). I'm not sure where you get your information from.
https://youtu.be/ZXquGvwzcxE
And we aren't suggesting this is what the OP should buy it was just by way of indication that, in modern terms a 944 is no longer a performance car and the gap is going to grow. But you are welcome to argue that black is white if it makes you happy.
If the OP wants to buy a Classic Car then the 944 is the best of the bunch and, in comparison to its age, is really very modern. If he wants a performance car then, in this day and age IMHO, a 944 isn't and there are a great many more modern vehicles which will provide greater bang for your buck and less aggravation to maintain ....a Boxster for example. Granted a Boxster isn't going to appreciate like a 944.
And just because it isn't the fastest car on the street/track/in your mind doesn't make it any less desirable. Who wouldn't have a Mk1 Escort, E Type, 250 GTO, DB5, RS2000, 914/6, 550 etc. etc etc All are slow to the point of pedestrian by modern car standards but beyond awesome as a thing to have and would light your sole to drive.
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