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http://youtu.be/KnuNv77rB0Q

After running an Alfa for 6 month, I have zero interest in ever having another again though.
 
I had 2 in the '70's, a plum coloured 2lt. GTV and later, a red Alfetta 2lt. GTV, that was over a 3 year period and loved them both. They were both cloverleaf, had style and heritage (and there weren't all that many around either).

Then Alfa lost their way a bit with FWD boxes and I bought Porsche. [;)]

But there's nothing like the passion of an Italian thoroughbred. [8D]

Regards,

Clive.
 
ORIGINAL: Alex L

http://youtu.be/KnuNv77rB0Q

Pretty much a glowing endorsement from Harris, a Porsche and Cayman fan.

I think unlike the 8C Alfa has focused on the driving experience - good looks come by default. Using an expensive but optimum carbon fibre monocoque design (outsourced to Dallara to develop) they've skipped on luxuries like V6 engines, but made it work. Unlike the 8C it is a car at a price point more in line with aspirational Alfa cognoscenti. They may not be making any money on it, but as a flagship model to revive the brand in a way the 8C didn't, it looks like they've gone all out and I think the buyers will benefit from that in a way that previous Alfa buyers have not.

6cm wider than a Cayman but shorter and over 300kg lighter plus monocoque rigidity - it must feel like a go kart for the road!
 

ORIGINAL: flat6


ORIGINAL: Alex L

http://youtu.be/KnuNv77rB0Q

Pretty much a glowing endorsement from Harris, a Porsche and Cayman fan.

I think unlike the 8C Alfa has focused on the driving experience - good looks come by default. Using an expensive but optimum carbon fibre monocoque design outsourced to Dallara to develope) they've skipped on luxuries like V6 engines, but made it work. Unlike the 8C it is a car at a price point more inline with aspirational Alfa cognoscenti. They may not be making any money on it, but as a flagship model to revive the brand in a way the 8C didn't, it looks lime they've gone all out and I think the buyers will benefit from that in a way that previous Alfa buyers have not.

6cm wider than a Cayman but shorter and over 300kg lighter plus monocoque rigidity - it must feel like a go kart for the road!

Some people would have you believe that a manual gearbox is necessary for a true "driver's car"....
 

ORIGINAL: sidicks


ORIGINAL: flat6


ORIGINAL: Alex L

http://youtu.be/KnuNv77rB0Q

Pretty much a glowing endorsement from Harris, a Porsche and Cayman fan.

I think unlike the 8C Alfa has focused on the driving experience - good looks come by default. Using an expensive but optimum carbon fibre monocoque design outsourced to Dallara to develope) they've skipped on luxuries like V6 engines, but made it work. Unlike the 8C it is a car at a price point more inline with aspirational Alfa cognoscenti. They may not be making any money on it, but as a flagship model to revive the brand in a way the 8C didn't, it looks lime they've gone all out and I think the buyers will benefit from that in a way that previous Alfa buyers have not.

6cm wider than a Cayman but shorter and over 300kg lighter plus monocoque rigidity - it must feel like a go kart for the road!

Some people would have you believe that a manual gearbox is necessary for a true "driver's car"....

I'd be one of those people!
 

ORIGINAL: sidicks

Some people would have you believe that a manual gearbox is necessary for a true "driver's car"....

We've had some interesting discussion about manual vs PDK in another corner of the forum. Here was my personal thoughts on it (I own and enjoy a manual but just giving my opinion).

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: daro911

Do you agree with what sales keep saying refs a 981 has to be a pdk today even though the stats are very much 50/50 unlike the 991's

Have you tried a 981 stick shift I haven't as all demo cars seem to be pdk only[&o]

The question of PDK is a personal one but i'll answer whether I think the car needs a manual option. Personally I think it doesn't. I've driven manual 981s and the gearbox is slick, but I think the only reason Porsche makes a manual is because they recognise that plenty of people want a manual. I guess some prefer to stick to what they know, or what feels best in terms of enjoyment or what feels best in terms of how they personally drive. With the 987, the latter was my reason for staying with manual. However, i'm up for embracing change when I think it's clearly better and to me, 981 PDK is clearly better than a manual. I think it will take a while to get used to automated transmission, which isn't going to happen on a few test drives, but i'd take it anyway in the belief that I will adapt, rather than keep myself stuck in the past when the future is actually the present. We all embrace change where we feel it benefits. E.g. some happily use a calculator and let their mental arithmetic ability waste away. Some will battle with getting to grips with computers and smart phones even if it almost blows their brain, if they feel that the pain is worth the gain. Some may feel they're too long in the tooth to be faffing around with something new when they could be continuing to enjoy what they're happy with. You can't miss what you don't know.

But does the 981 need a manual? Automated transmissions are clearly quicker and more efficient in terms of performance and economy. Personally I think the GT3 was falling behind its competition and needed PDK. To not offer manual on the 991 GT3 says a lot to me. I guess Porsche feel it doesn't need it. Some potential buyers may want it but it wouldn't be the car Porsche wants it to be and it would have purely have been a move to cater for nostalgia. Engineers need to continue to develop their machines to try to be ahead of the competition, especially in the performance car arena. Along with their test drivers, they will have concluded that swapping gears manually was too far behind all the other advancements they had made. You could say that a manual transmission couldn't be made to keep up. I personally reckon that the only reason the 997 GT3 was manual only, was because there was a sufficient number of buyers of the right type to enable Porsche to skip developing a PDK for the Mezger engine. Now those loyal buyers feel left out in the cold because they believed that Porsche believed that the GT3 must be, or needed to be manual. Instead, the manual went when the Mezger went. Conversely, Porsche feels that the new 991 GT3 must be PDK and has skipped developing a manual for it, which would have only been to satisfy certain buyers rather than being worthy of the product they were out to build.
 
The Alfa is no threat to the Cayman because it has a boot smaller than an MX5 so unless the butler has your bags in the Bentley say bye bye to a European driving holiday.[:D]
 
True. I think it should be more compared to the Exige than the Cayman.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/alfa-romeo/4c
 

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