Front Foglights, GEN 1 997 Turbo

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Anyone have any views on the front foglamps?

The ones on my 996C4S in the main headlamp cluster were rather good but we had fog here last month and I had to use them in the Turbo for the first time. Pathetic is the word that sprang to mind.

Perhaps they need adjusting as they are so low that you cannot manage without dipped headlights as well, seemingly defeating the object. They are also rather dim especially when you have got used to Zenons. Is the Gen 2 Turbo the same or have the bulbs been uprated or improved? I see that front fog lamps appear to be deleted from current 911's except the Turbo.

I also find it irritating that only the drivers side rear fog is activated despite there being a bulb and holder in the passenger side. I had to pay extra on the Turbo and the 996C4S to have these wired in as I do most of my serious driving in France and French lorries tend to find you invisible without a left rear foglamp. My 964 had both wired up but I was told that the new setup is the result of some EU directive (Cannot really be Porsche cost cutting as the bulb and holder are present)

 

[fireblade]

Is anybody there for a bit of feedback?

Not even Gary???? You have the same foglights, have you ever used them?

 

[Alex L]

Can't say I have ever used them - sorry.

 

[fireblade]

Thanks Alex,

Perhaps no one does so that is why there is no feedback!!

Cheers

 

[tscaptain]

Mike, the Gen 2 turbo doesn't have fog lights at all. They have been replaced by the daytime driving lights - which are also useless in fog![]

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain

Mike, the Gen 2 turbo doesn't have fog lights at all. They have been replaced by the daytime driving lights - which are also useless in fog![]

REALLY? I thought the gen2 ones were dual purpose?!

 

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ORIGINAL: tscaptain

Mike, the Gen 2 turbo doesn't have fog lights at all. They have been replaced by the daytime driving lights - which are also useless in fog![]

Than's interesting, I saw a German reg gen 2 Turbo and the daytime running lights were the white LED's which on mine are orange indicators!

Obviously there are different specs for different markets but the LED's looked really good as running lights, perhaps the foglights become indicators in that spec.

Cheers.

 

[Alex L]

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Mike, the Gen 2 turbo doesn't have fog lights at all. They have been replaced by the daytime driving lights - which are also useless in fog![]

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[FONT=arial"]That's interesting, I saw a German reg gen 2 Turbo and the daytime running lights were the white LED's which on mine are orange indicators!

Probably just had his side-lights on. Same for Gen1

 

[tscaptain]

Are you sure it was a turbo Mike? TheGen 2 Carreras have LED daytime lights in that position.

They might be advertised as dual purpose Alex but they do not have a narrow focus like fogs and cause a lot of scatterback. Nice to see you here, btw! How's the sleep pattern?[]

 

[garyw]

Sorry, I was packing my car []

I've used mine but mainly as driving lamps, Yes they are very low both in aim and output.
I did look at replacing the lamp for a whiter unit, as you say after having HID headlamps they are a bit of a shock! [&:]
Then I realised it was a front bumper off to get to it, so never bothered.

garyw

 

[Alex L]

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How's the sleep pattern?[]

[8D] I'm asleep on my feet Alan! Forming coherent sentences is quite a struggle these days...

 

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Mike, the Gen 2 turbo doesn't have fog lights at all. They have been replaced by the daytime driving lights - which are also useless in fog![]

That's interesting, I saw a German reg gen 2 Turbo and the daytime running lights were the white LED's which on mine are orange indicators!

Probably just had his side-lights on. Same for Gen1

Possible for a German spec but it was the whole row wheras my UK spec side light is only the outermost led (white) while the rest are orange. i doubt that just one white led would be noticed in daylight but the whole row illuminated in the daytime.looks just like the GEN 2 Carreras.

 

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Are you sure it was a turbo Mike? TheGen 2 Carreras have LED daytime lights in that position.

Absolutely, it was stopped at traffic lights outside the Porsche factory in Stuttgart so I noticed it different to mine immediately and had a good look as I was a pedestrian at the time! LHD though and I think that daytime lights on new cars are compulsory now in Germany (or about to be) and the new UK spec Carreras all seem to have them but I haven't seen a new Turbo yet.

Looked nice if you must have them.

 

[Alex L]

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ORIGINAL: tscaptain

Mike, the Gen 2 turbo doesn't have fog lights at all. They have been replaced by the daytime driving lights - which are also useless in fog![]

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[FONT=arial"]That's interesting, I saw a German reg gen 2 Turbo and the daytime running lights were the white LED's which on mine are orange indicators!

Probably just had his side-lights on. Same for Gen1

[FONT=arial"]Possible for a German spec but it was the whole row wheras my UK spec side light is only the outermost led (white) while the rest are orange. i doubt that just one white led would be noticed in daylight but the whole row illuminated in the daytime.looks just like the GEN 2 Carreras.

Was probably aftermarket speedART ones then:

http://www.design911.com/pages/advancedSearch.aspx?search=99763109000

 

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Are you sure it was a turbo Mike? TheGen 2 Carreras have LED daytime lights in that position.

Absolutely, it was stopped at traffic lights outside the Porsche factory in Stuttgart so I noticed it different to mine immediately and had a good look as I was a pedestrian at the time! LHD though and I think that daytime lights on new cars are compulsory now in Germany (or about to be) and the new UK spec Carreras all seem to have them but I haven't seen a new Turbo yet.

Looked nice if you must have them.

Actually I have seen a gen 2 Turbo there was a red one on the 997 Normandy trip with Gary but I didn't see whether his lights were on or not as because of Gary's spirited driving I was hanging onto the first couple of cars! . Gary will know his name (I have a terrible memory when I meet a lot of new people at once) Alan I think, perhaps Gary can wiz him an email.

 

[tscaptain]

That will be me then Mike!![]

 

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That will be me then Mike!![]

Well that has put me in my place !!!!

Sorry I didn't recognise you, are you going to make me look up your name!!??

No wonder you know so much about the Gen 2. I much admired it, I recall that you had only just collected it.

If yours has the same light set up as the Gen 1 (I though that I had read somewhere that the Gen 2 front lights were different) there is probably an option to have sidelights on all the time. My old PCM2 (yours is the newer touchscreen model) has it but I didn't like just the one led showing. The previous post shows what the German one looked like and I rather like it, bet conversion costs a mint and as Gary has added about the fog lights it is probably a bumber off job.

Just checked the advert and video, £895.00 too rich for my blood! I can almost get a set of tyres for that!

 

[tscaptain]

The lights on mine are different from the Gen1. The daylights are where the fogs were and they are selectable on/off through the lower left stalk. The LED indicators are the same, I believe, with the sidelights being at the outer end of them.

Yes, the car was less than a week old in Normandy - a nice 1200 miles over the weekend and it was run in! I sat next to your charming lady at the evening meal in the chateau![]

 

[Alex L]

If you look on the design911 link i sent it's about 575 quid (which i assume is just parts) then for those of us with mesh now fitted, this would need to come off too. The lights look part of the bumper to me though, I didnt see any screws (other than those I added for the mesh).

 

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ORIGINAL: tscaptain

The lights on mine are different from the Gen1. The daylights are where the fogs were and they are selectable on/off through the lower left stalk. The LED indicators are the same, I believe, with the sidelights being at the outer end of them.

Yes, the car was less than a week old in Normandy - a nice 1200 miles over the weekend and it was run in! I sat next to your charming lady at the evening meal in the chateau![]

Well Alan at least I got your name right considering we talked about aeroplanes as well as cars!

My fogs are useless and daylights are a better use for the space but it is a shame that the UK spec doesn't use the Led's as they really do stand out.

This has been a much more interesting thread than "Front Foglights, GEN 1 Turbo" which really attracted the attention that they deserve---complete indifference!!

Wonder if I can remove the foglight bulbs without dropping the bumber, they must be useful for something!. Back to the Handbook!!