Full Roll Cage On Ebay

[944turboS]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/full-roll-cage-porsche-924-944_W0QQitemZ130082320815QQihZ003QQcategoryZ10408QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Not my listing, I have no connection with the seller etc etc

 

[John Sims]

Well that will pretty much ensure we all bid against each other then. []

 

[944turboS]

Sorry John

 

[Fen]

Yeah, what happened to a nice private tip-off like I usually get?

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: 944turboS

Sorry John

No worries mate!

If I ever see an original Porsche 944 Cab Removable Hard Top on eBay (glass rear, screen fully lined) I'll be sure to let eveyone know on the forum. []

 

[Hilux]

So I`m not the only one watching it then [&:][&:]

 

[lali]

I used to have a 924/944 cage in my S2. it doesnt fit "all that well" the angle of the front bars is such that the dash gets in the way and may need some modifying.

( for modifying read cut )

 

[Trackrod944]

I've got one in my trackday 944, and whilst it does an excellent job, it A/ weighs enough to totally negate all the trim which was removed, B/ severely restricts use of the handbrake, and C/ prevents human access from boot to cockpit or vice verca. I'd really recommend asnyone to not double diagonal the rear bracing, so that in emergency, escape could be made via the rear, or access to an incapacitated driver from there. You also need to be a bleedin acrobat to thread your right leg in and out.

 

[944turboS]

Fen, apologies I was unaware you required a cage for the land glider.

 

[Fen]

I was being largely facetious Graeme. I do want a cage for the land glider, but I intend to go for a custom weld-in one. I do sometimes buy the interesting bits you send me links to on the 'Bay.

 

[John Sims]

I was only kidding myself.

IMHO roll cages are like helmets and Nomex: If you ever come to need them you want to be damn sure they are up to the job.

Buying a heap of scaffolding with no provenance strikes me as a false ecconomy. It might do the job, or it might just be a heap of steel that you drag around with you making your life a missery.

There is one thing......no matter what condition it is in it will give significantly more protection than a Cab' offers. []

 

[944turboS]

no matter what condition it is in it will give significantly more protection than a Cab' offers

Maybe I should have kept quiet & fitted it to the Cab then

 

[Hilux]

IMHO roll cages are like helmets and Nomex: If you ever come to need them you want to be damn sure they are up to the job.

Been there done that, got the T shirt [&:] mind you I made it meself and it worked so I`m chuffed to be still here[]

I`m watching it as I `might` cannibalise it but I really want this type. Its non destructive to install, holds harnesses and allows use of the original belts. I think its really neat. He wont export them (perhaps a `group` buy?? [8D]) so I`m gonna make my own as all I want is a roll hoop as I have no sunroof so consider the `shell` is inherently stronger than sun roof cars

 

[John Sims]

That is certainly an interesting solution Paul.

I don't know what his experience is with US rollcages, I would have thought that the likes of Safety Devices are more adept at making cages than he suggests.

I see his solution as more of a half way house than a real cage but, none the less, better than nothing at all.

A roll cage is almost a misnomer though as, while it is possible to roll a saloon (or coupe) this is a relatively unusual occurrence. The majority of accidents involve running into things. A proper cage will provide protection in such incidents where a roll hoop wont. Another advantage of a proper cage is it will stiffen the chassis and pay for its additional weight in improved handling.

All that said, given the choice of a harness bar or a roll hoop I would go for the latter.

 

[sawood12]

That looks like a pretty good compromise for those who don't want the full roll cage solution. An added benefit is that the frame being bolted across all 4 seatbelt bots will stiffen the shell, especially in conjunction with a strut brace.

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: Hilux

IMHO roll cages are like helmets and Nomex: If you ever come to need them you want to be damn sure they are up to the job.

Been there done that, got the T shirt [&:] mind you I made it meself and it worked so I`m chuffed to be still here[]

I`m watching it as I `might` cannibalise it but I really want this type. Its non destructive to install, holds harnesses and allows use of the original belts. I think its really neat. He wont export them (perhaps a `group` buy?? [8D]) so I`m gonna make my own as all I want is a roll hoop as I have no sunroof so consider the `shell` is inherently stronger than sun roof cars

Hey Hilux,

The guys in the states rave about these. Aparently they really stiffent he frame up. There is only one problem.....
He will not make them anymore.
There was one on ebay recently. They usually fetch about $4-500

 

[Hilux]

Hey Hilux,

The guys in the states rave about these. Aparently they really stiffent he frame up. There is only one problem.....
He will not make them anymore.
There was one on ebay recently. They usually fetch about $4-500

Hi Tommo

I know they rave about them, thats why I tried to get him to export them as I would be the sole importer and charge *cough* a `nominal` handling fee [] I didnt know he had actually stopped making them though [&:]

They must stiffen the frame to a small degree as essentially it `boxes` all the seatbelt points and braces the rears and if cross braced to the rear turrets would be an advantage in my opinion hence I am going down this route and going to make my own [8|]

John

I fully understand your point that its not a protective `cage` but it is roof deformation/collapse that scares me after my previous incident [&o] I still think his needs cross bracing but if it were tied into the rear turret and the `b` pillar seat belt point it will stop the roof denting where your head is. Cars are pretty strong front/rear so I assume your requirements are to negate the side impact issues also.

Its not that I expect to roll BUT the faster you get especially on sicks/semi slicks which offer little or no progressive breakaway, even with run offs as large as New Foundland, you will hit the grass/kitty litter at some time and if its sideways theres a 50/50 chance you`ll roll.

I wonder how much a `Caged` or `Safety Devices group buy for a bolt in cage would be?

 

[John Sims]

I take your point on rolling.

I'm not a great fan of harness bars as they seem to provide much of the inconvenience of a cage/roll bar without any of the protection.

I have pondered a Safety Devices cage myself but IIRC even the bolt in one requires the welding on of an attachment point, and isn't completely non destructive. I might be wrong though.

The roll hoop does sound like a great compromise - even more so if the mountings could be left in place and the hoop easily removed for road/family use. I agree with you that some additional triangulation would be good though.

As a matter of interest (and perhaps prompting a bit of measuring and drawing when Beaky returns) what would people consider a fair price for such a piece of kit?

 

[Fen]

I want a weld-in. OK I don't have an aversion to it being destructive, but I found a place that can do a weld-in without removing the interior trim and I want to keep headlining to stop the car being like an echoing tin box. I'll go for flat door panels and original rear quarter panels I think.

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: Fen
.... I don't have an aversion to it being destructive,

We noticed that []

... found a place that can do a weld-in without removing the interior...

I love the smell of scorched vinyl in the morning []