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Hi everyone,

I sold my 996C2 a few weeks ago and after making sure all was OK on the finances front I can now go for a 997, a Gen1 C2S or possibly 1 year old Gen2 C2 with PDK. Either way I'm thinking of the PSE, can anyone point me to an in-car video on YouTube of how this sounds on 997 Gen1/2?

Also I was wondering how many of you guys buy from an OPC and how many private. I bought my 996 privately and got a great deal last time but it took ages to track down. The OPC's prices always seem about £5k above private buyers, do they come down much on price, does it pay to buy from an OPC?

Any advise would be much appreciated.

Cheers, Alex
 
Hi Alex,

I've had plenty of experience on this front recently as I bought a C2S Cab 2 weeks ago after 4 months of searching.

On the subject of buying from OPC or private, the main thing you have to have in mind first are the extras that you want to have on the car and the interior/exterior colour combination. Then search for these cars. If you widen your search past black and grey/silver...you are likely to get more of a bargain.

OPC's are about 4-8k more than private depending on spec, but on the more desirable colours the OPC's won't negotiate as they know they'll sell it eventually. Also, OPC's are selling many more approved used cars than new right now so again they are much less likely to offer discounts. They are having trouble sourcing decent stock.

You also have to decide wether you want the Porsche extended warranty, which you'll get with an OPC car. If you buy privately, you'll have to wait 3 months before you are able to put a warranty on it.

If buying privately, just make sure you do a pre purchase inspection from a reputable porsche indie.

Good luck

By the way......you don't have to listen to a PSE sound clip....just buy it!!....it sounds awesome
 

ORIGINAL: Hasan
If buying privately, just make sure you do a pre purchase inspection from a reputable porsche indie.
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Agree with most of the above, but I would get the OPC 111 point inspection. With such a new car any issues would need to be resolved by Porsche under the warranty or goodwill.

If it is out of warranty or near its end, I'd get the current owner to extend it.
 
If you have a choice between a Gen 1C2S and a Gen 2 C2 with PDK I'd go for the Gen 2, all other specs being equal. Same power, better car in all respects. Of course there is no PSE available as yet as a retrofit (we keep waiting!) on the Gen2 but should be along soon. Sports Chrono + is a must with PDK too. Not sure if you'll find many Gen 2's outside of an OPC as yet?
 
Personally I always buy new. I still think that is the cheapest way, though a lot depends on how good you are at haggling. If I were to buy pre-owned, I would buy from an OPC. However, some independants are very good, but be careful. Having owned 997 Gen 1 and Gen 2 (PDK), I would go for Gen 2 PDK everytime. If you are on a tight budget, then there are some bargins to be found with Gen 1
 
i havent seen any gen 2 pdk even at indi`s for much under £60k yet ,but if thats your budget then go for it as its hugely better(having just borrowed an opc c2s for 3 days)than gen1(imo)
 
ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

Personally I always buy new. I still think that is the cheapest way, though a lot depends on how good you are at haggling. If I were to buy pre-owned, I would buy from an OPC. However, some independants are very good, but be careful. Having owned 997 Gen 1 and Gen 2 (PDK), I would go for Gen 2 PDK everytime. If you are on a tight budget, then there are some bargins to be found with Gen 1
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Completely agree with Derek.
I've always bought new but had a look at the used market for my first Porsche. After weighing up the facts, I decided to purchase a new Gen 2 PDK and negotiate with my OPC for a new one they had in stock. It's unlikely you'll get a discount with a factory order but if you ring round the OPC network and see what new stock is available many of them will negotiate on the price. I bought mine in March (997.2 PDK) with a lovely spec and saved £6k. I've seen used Gen 2 PDK's go for more money than I paid for my new one.
 
I think the discount on pre-registered stock has now expired. The dealers do have some demonstrator Gen2s dotted around the country and there are some used Gen2s on the used car locator. I've also seen a few used Gen2s on Pistonheads.
 
ORIGINAL: spyderman

I think the discount on pre-registered stock has now expired. The dealers do have some demonstrator Gen2s dotted around the country and there are some used Gen2s on the used car locator. I've also seen a few used Gen2s on Pistonheads.
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Just a quick note to say my car was not pre-registered. It was new un-registered stock. When I first started ringing round looking for a deal on a new unregistered car some OPC's didn't want to know. Some were prepared to negotiate but (understandably) face to face rather than over the phone. I narrowed my search down to a car that had a spec colour I wanted. Luckily the OPC was brilliant in everyway including a nice discount.
 
think the discount on pre-registered stock has now expired
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ORIGINAL: spyderman

Sorry - my mistake - I didn't actually mean registered at all - just "in stock".
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Hey no worries!
Just to clear things up. You mention discount on new stock has now expired, are you saying discounting existing stock was an official stance by OPC's during this period?

 
It wasn't quite discounting but a much better trade in against your other Porsche = same thing at the end of the day [;)]

garyw
 
With cash in hand the world is your oyster - if you buy privately go for a car thats still covered by warranty (ie under 2 years old) and its then relatively easy to contine with the extended one. A good inpsection by the likes of Peter Morgan probably looks at more items than a 111 point OPC check does (i could give you a list of 30 items thats only includes lighting and wipers !), and with so many smart repairers and good vehicle detailers around now its not difficult to achive the supposedly high std of OPC preparation for £5-600 of your own money.

Buying privately you should see at least 5k saving over an OPC.
 
ORIGINAL: Senna
You mention discount on new stock has now expired, are you saying discounting existing stock was an official stance by OPC's during this period?
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Yes sir, it was. I wasn't in enough of a hurry to take advantage of it before the end of April, however.
 
ORIGINAL: alexoctagon

Hi everyone,

I sold my 996C2 a few weeks ago and after making sure all was OK on the finances front I can now go for a 997, a Gen1 C2S or possibly 1 year old Gen2 C2 with PDK. Either way I'm thinking of the PSE, can anyone point me to an in-car video on YouTube of how this sounds on 997 Gen1/2?

Also I was wondering how many of you guys buy from an OPC and how many private. I bought my 996 privately and got a great deal last time but it took ages to track down. The OPC's prices always seem about £5k above private buyers, do they come down much on price, does it pay to buy from an OPC?

Any advise would be much appreciated.



Cheers, Alex
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Not sure what your Budget is or if you would consider a C4S but I've just put my PDK car up for sale (09 Plate so no warranty issues and save over £11K)
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=454175
 
Thanks a lot for all your replies, thats really useful info. I'm looking for the standard safe dark grey/black combination so it sounds like deals at the OPC's will be a bit more difficult. I dont mind paying a bit more to an OPC for a used car, for the warranty, and if they source it and get it transported to Cambridge for me to try as I'm short of time at the moment. I think I'll also look privately as well, if I track down the car myself through e.g autotrader I would definately have the ppi by someone like Peter Morgan, and then maybe the 111 pi as you guys have advised.

I tried Gen1 a year ago but I'll have to test drive the Gen2 soon, the only question mark is the stuff I've heard about it not having quite the same driver involvement, I guess it's all subjective.

Real Thing, thankyou but your car is a bit out of my budget I'm afraid, could I ask why you are selling so quickly?

 
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ORIGINAL: Senna
You mention discount on new stock has now expired, are you saying discounting existing stock was an official stance by OPC's during this period?
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Yes sir, it was. I wasn't in enough of a hurry to take advantage of it before the end of April, however.
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OPC East London gave a friend of a friend £5500 off an March build -April delivered car that was ordered back in February. He wanted a pretty basic spec Carrera 3.6 but at the time was offered high spec stock cars with 8k off list.

Not sure if those deals are about at this moment in time [&o]
 
ORIGINAL: alexoctagon


Real Thing, thankyou but your car is a bit out of my budget I'm afraid, could I ask why you are selling so quickly?
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Not desperate to sell the 911 but as I'm not getting much use out of her at the moment as I'm mainly using my Golf (most of the mileage was covered in the 1st couple of weeks) thought I'd test the water to see what I could get back If there's no takers I'll keep it until beginning of next year when I have a GT-R (can I say Nissan on this forum lol) arriving.
 

ORIGINAL: Real Thing

when I have a GT-R (can I say Nissan on this forum lol) arriving.
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You are totally bonkers. There is no comparison between a 911 and a Datson (Sorry Nissan). True, on paper, they are comparable on performance, but where is the Class? Where is the Heritage? And try selling it! And just look at it... LOL
 
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