Giving up ?

[TTM]

I have always been more or less hankering after a 928 (in GT form is the only one worth looking at, in my opinion), and the build of my 3.0L turbo engine has been taking so much time lately that I'm considering eventually selling it as is to fund a 928.
Need help from some fellow 951 owners to be talked out of that silly idea ... Thanks.

 

[peanut]

1.the cabins are claustaphobic and very hot in the summer
2. they don't handle anywhere near as well as a 944
3. very antiquated 1970's technology
4. very expensive to run 16 miles per gallon soon wipes the grin off your face on a 100 mile run
5. horrible auto gearbox makes for a very sluggish pull off the line. (Manuals are scarce)
6. difficult to keep all those horses on a straight line in the wet . Always loosing the backend



How am I doing so far ???????[][]


ok they do sound bloomin fantastic . That v8 burble around the villlage always turned heads and made you feel you were in something a bit special

 

[pauljmcnulty]

I have always been more or less hankering after a 928

Saw a stunning one in Speed Yellow on the M25 today. Every time I feel the temptation....it takes me back to seeing THE 928S on a gold press car back in the '70s. For a little kid, pushing in that back bumper was like landing on the moon compared to my Dad's BMW 2002. I still think the design is futuristic now, and nicer than the shots I've seen of the Panamera!

It's the sheer cost of running one that puts me off, but it's an interesting thought to have an S2 and a 928 to choose from every day! [8D]

 

[morris944s2john]

16mpg!!!!!

I get 32mpg from my S2 on a run and thats not trying too hard for economy.

As for handling, well to be honest, do many cars handle as well as a 944????

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: morris944s2john

16mpg!!!!!

I get 32mpg from my S2 on a run and thats not trying too hard for economy.

As for handling, well to be honest, do many cars handle as well as a 944????

John we are talking about a 928 do try to keep up []



32 mpg is pretty good for a S2 I think I get about 28mpg if I'm careful. It just shows what a dirrerence having an S2 chipped makes

 

[mik_ok]

I believe John was referring to your earlier assertion.

ORIGINAL: peanut
2. they don't handle anywhere near as well as a 944

I always really liked late 928's and I quite fancy a manual 928GT or GTS too ~ one of the guys on the evo mag forum has just collected a manual GT and is loving it.

The big V8 sounds awesome, but I too have always been put off by their thirst and the weight ~ whilst I understand they do handle very well, I don't relish the thought of chucking something so heavy into a bend (or two).

 

[TTM]

It's true the interior feels claustrophobic, also it hasn't aged as well as an oval dash 944's. Headroom can be a serious issue for tall people like me on cars with sunroof.
Keep it coming chaps, the cure seems on its way ...

 

[Diver944]

Do it []

A nice 928 GT with manual box will be far cheaper to run than a modded 3.0L Turbo and it will retain it's value more IMHO.

928's handle very well indeed, that Weissach rear axle is far more technological than our 944 simple set up

 

[Diver944]

Any of these one's will fit the bill (especially the last one [] )

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/430291.htm

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/439114.htm

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/447059.htm

Not many GT's around, even rarer are the lighter CS version [8D]

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: peanut

32 mpg is pretty good for a S2 I think I get about 28mpg if I'm careful. It just shows what a dirrerence having an S2 chipped makes

I average around 28 in my S2, with much of that being town-town(ish) driving. Very little open roads.

Peanut - are you saying yorus is chipped or John's is chipped? I thought that chipping them made the economy go up (very slightly)?


Oli.

 

[TTM]

ORIGINAL: Diver944
A nice 928 GT with manual box will be far cheaper to run than a modded 3.0L Turbo

Precisely one point I'm not so sure about. My modified 2.5 returned an unexpected 32 mpg in the last 400 miles trip (including 130mph+ runs on derestricted stretches of Autobahn) and fuel efficiency ranks pretty high on my requirement as I use my 944s mostly for long roads trips. I know track days and budget don't do well together, but thankfully going round in circles has never attracted me one bit, all the more with a heavy German barge such as a Porsche.
I want to believe a moderately powerful, torque-biased 3.0L can make more than 25mpg, and all 928 owners I know reckon it's absolutely impossible to make more than 22 mpg with the V8 ...

ORIGINAL: Diver944
even rarer are the lighter CS version

Had a quick passenger run in a friend's CS four years ago ... The immediate and brutal torque delivery when pushing down the loudpedal is unbelievable. Only an original 289 Cobra may compare.

 

[morris944s2john]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

ORIGINAL: peanut

32 mpg is pretty good for a S2 I think I get about 28mpg if I'm careful. It just shows what a dirrerence having an S2 chipped makes

I average around 28 in my S2, with much of that being town-town(ish) driving. Very little open roads.

Peanut - are you saying yorus is chipped or John's is chipped? I thought that chipping them made the economy go up (very slightly)?


Oli.

My S2 is standard and I get 26mpg commuting to work/ average week and 32+mpg on a run. Which for the kind of car and performance is I think economical. Try and get those MPG out of a Scooby or an RX8.

But, we digress, actually I do like the 928 as well (and indeed the whole Porsche range). But I thought 22-24mpg was possible on a run for a 928, maybe its Peanuts cars that are/were chipped/modded?????

 

[mik_ok]

ORIGINAL: morris944s2john

My S2 is standard and I get 26mpg commuting to work/ average week and 32+mpg on a run. Try and get those MPG out of a Scooby or an RX8.

Digressing further, but in response....
We got approx 28mpg average from our S2 also.
With similar use RX8 gives 23mpg, and Scoob (std 2.5WRX) gives 28-29mpg. I believe the earlier 2.0 units were thirstier, but I've been pleasantly surprised by the later engine, and unpleasantly surprised by the Rex [&:]

 

[morris944s2john]

I meant the old Scooby, like with like, as in one you could buy for 944 S2 money. I know a few who have run those (mid 90's WRX) and they struggled to better 20mpg. Great sounding engine though!

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

ORIGINAL: peanut

32 mpg is pretty good for a S2 I think I get about 28mpg if I'm careful. It just shows what a dirrerence having an S2 chipped makes

I average around 28 in my S2, with much of that being town-town(ish) driving. Very little open roads.

Peanut - are you saying yorus is chipped or John's is chipped? I thought that chipping them made the economy go up (very slightly)?


Oli.

I doubt it Oli . the standard DME chip is a compromise between reasonable economy and good performance. Any improvement in performance must surely be at the expense of economy.? you don't get owt for nowt as they say.
The improvement in performance is staggering .I have owned both a standard and chipped version now.

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: morris944s2john




But, we digress, actually I do like the 928 as well (and indeed the whole Porsche range). But I thought 22-24mpg was possible on a run for a 928, maybe its Peanuts cars that are/were chipped/modded?????

No my 928 was just standard but it was an early s version and probably not the most economical of the range.
I never saw 20mpg from mine but boy did she shift in a straight line

 

[TTM]

ORIGINAL: peanut
the standard DME chip is a compromise between reasonable economy and good performance. Any improvement in performance must surely be at the expense of economy.?

Well, my S2 is standard apart from a MAF so I can't tell, but I did notice an improve in fuel economy when I fitted a MAF and replaced the old Guru chips with the latest MAF-optimised MAXhp chips on my turbo. The thing is the turbo becomes so easier to drive with the added low and mid range torque that less throttle is needed to make them go forward decently.

 

[peanut]

well TTM ? you are one of the lucky ones to have both a turbo and an S2
if you had to choose to keep just one and say they were both identical in all respects and same condition which would you choose ?

 

[TTM]

Well the S2 remains in my opinion the better all rounder but since I find each enjoyable for different reasons I'd rather get rid of both instead of having to choose one over another. This, actually, sort of makes me want to complete the 3.0 engine for the turbo to figure out if it gets as good an all-rounder as the S2, but I doubt it.
I'm pretty sure Diver944 has found out about it since long.

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: peanut
I doubt it Oli . the standard DME chip is a compromise between reasonable economy and good performance. Any improvement in performance must surely be at the expense of economy.? you don't get owt for nowt as they say.
The improvement in performance is staggering .I have owned both a standard and chipped version now.

Peanut,

I was going by Peter Empson's comments on here, a while ago. He suggested (as TTM does, although TTM is talking about the turbo) that the chips give more mid-range torque which allows more progress with less revs, and hence (marginally) better economy.

I guess there is an element of progress in there as well - the standard DME curves will be designed 20+ years ago now, and a more modern chip could well apparently buy you some progress in both performance an economy. So, owt for nowt - maybe it is possible.

Either way, I want to try a chip in mine ... just for the education!


Oli.