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Grills and Warranty

I’m in the process of buying a BGTS privately which has 20 months extended warranty and would like to fit these, did anyone get any further reply from PAG In regards to a 981 GTS?

Also does anyone know if having the wheels painted by someone apart from OPC would affect warranty, can’t see how they could argue it would but better safe than sorry.

 
It seems there are two aspects to the warranty and grilles:

1. Will your OPC ignore them as part of a 111-point check and therefore allow you to extend your warranty?

[ul][*]It appears this is OPC dependent, some will and some won't.[/ul]However:

2. What do Porsche AG, who ultimately decide if your warranty is valid or not, think of them?

[ul][*]Based on the overheating comment in this thread, it sounds like a engine warranty claim could be refused if grilles had been fitted. Your OPC may have said they're OK, but that means nothing unless the mothership honours the warranty claim.[/ul]I have Zunsport grilles on my 981 CGTS and unless Porsche AG state that my extended warranty will be honoured with them fitted, which it appears they won't, then I will be unable to take out an extended warranty.

 
Twinfan said:
It seems there are two aspects to the warranty and grilles:

1. Will your OPC ignore them as part of a 111-point check and therefore allow you to extend your warranty?

[ul][*]It appears this is OPC dependent, some will and some won't.[/ul]However:

2. What do Porsche AG, who ultimately decide if your warranty is valid or not, think of them?

[ul][*]Based on the overheating comment in this thread, it sounds like a engine warranty claim could be refused if grilles had been fitted. Your OPC may have said they're OK, but that means nothing unless the mothership honours the warranty claim.[/ul]I have Zunsport grilles on my 981 CGTS and unless Porsche AG state that my extended warranty will be honoured with them fitted, which it appears they won't, then I will be unable to take out an extended warranty.
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Twinfan said:
It seems there are two aspects to the warranty and grilles:

1. Will your OPC ignore them as part of a 111-point check and therefore allow you to extend your warranty?

[ul][*]It appears this is OPC dependent, some will and some won't.[/ul]However:

2. What do Porsche AG, who ultimately decide if your warranty is valid or not, think of them?

[ul][*]Based on the overheating comment in this thread, it sounds like a engine warranty claim could be refused if grilles had been fitted. Your OPC may have said they're OK, but that means nothing unless the mothership honours the warranty claim.[/ul]I have Zunsport grilles on my 981 CGTS and unless Porsche AG state that my extended warranty will be honoured with them fitted, which it appears they won't, then I will be unable to take out an extended warranty.
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Fit them and suffer the consequences if your warranty will not be honoured. Fit them and do not bother about the warranty. Don't fit them and have no problems with your new car warranty or extended warranty, you will however have to make checks to see if there is a build up of debris. In time Porsche may come to see a benefit of having them fitted and do a design change.

Ray

 
Porsche won't re-design new grilles for old cars [:)]

I'm keeping my grilles and will not bother with the extended warranty.

 
Twinfan said:
Porsche won't re-design new grilles for old cars [:)]

I'm keeping my grilles and will not bother with the extended warranty.
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Twinfan said:
Porsche won't re-design new grilles for old cars [:)]

I'm keeping my grilles and will not bother with the extended warranty.
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I would't expect them to design grilles for older cars. I was thinking of new vehicles whereby they can do wind tests etc.

Ray

 
The reference to overheating was on a 987 Cayman, the Pistonheads thread was referring to a 991 GTS

so wondering if GTS models which I believe all have the extra centre Opening and 3rd radiator means overheating isn’t an issue.

 
Teesside Porsche referred my case (Zunsport grills on a 981 GTS) back to the fatherland and got a refusal. OPC was as disappointed as I was as, to their credit, they did not do the 111 check that the car was booked in for, and obviously lost the sales commission on the extended warranty. My car has got a brand new MOT certificate though, it’s first one.

I am going to research the third party warranty offerings, but my inclination now is to save my money and just bite the bullet if anything goes wrong. Without the warranty I am free to use whatever independent expertise and non OEM parts I like. (If it breaks, modify it! )

 
JohnCR said:
Teesside Porsche referred my case (Zunsport grills on a 981 GTS) back to the fatherland and got a refusal. OPC was as disappointed as I was as, to their credit, they did not do the 111 check that the car was booked in for, and obviously lost the sales commission on the extended warranty. My car has got a brand new MOT certificate though, it’s first one.

I am going to research the third party warranty offerings, but my inclination now is to save my money and just bite the bullet if anything goes wrong. Without the warranty I am free to use whatever independent expertise and non OEM parts I like. (If it breaks, modify it! )
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Many thanks for the update - that's the decision made on my car too then. I also have a 981 GTS and will not be removing my grilles, so the Extended Warranty is a no-go. Like you I'll wait until things break and then improve them!

 
Isn't it ridiculous that this conversation is even taking place ?

Like the M Pilot Supersport tyres that were N rated for the Carrera GT but not for a Cayman ... go figure.

 
ChrisW said:
Isn't it ridiculous that this conversation is even taking place ?

Like the M Pilot Supersport tyres that were N rated for the Carrera GT but not for a Cayman ... go figure.
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Yes, but to rationalise it, the extended warranty is a financial product, insurance, and we all know what a weird and sometimes murky world that is. Coupled to porsche’s somewhat idiosyncratic nature reguarding their products produces a situation that I am happy to stand back from. Lots of people have benefitted from the warranty but, for most, it is about protecting resale values. Fair enough, you keep your eyes open and make your choice. All part of the Porsche ownership experience.🙂

 
Has anyone had experience of the Zunsport grilles being a problem when fitted to a 997 GTS specifically? I see there's some crossover when you get to GT cars so may not be clear cut. I'm looking ahead to a potential warranty extension in the spring and want to be armed with some relevant info as and when the OPC takes my money for the inspection then refuses the warranty extension unless they're removed. For what it's worth, I think the grilles are excellent. The debris I used to get in at the radiators was considerable and having had the car on track several times I can't say there's any negative impact .

 
The obvious answer is if in doubt remove them before the car gets inspected ..it is a comparative easy fix my son who by his own admission is not technical fitted his in his 997 GTS in 30 mins so removal should not be a issue .

I do agree this is a stupid situation all should be fitted with grills as standard as in my 981 Spyder and yet none standard in a 981. Seems some OPC are ok and not others it should be clear Yes or NO .

 
paul_uk said:
Has anyone had experience of the Zunsport grilles being a problem when fitted to a 997 GTS specifically? I see there's some crossover when you get to GT cars so may not be clear cut.
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Not a 997 GTS but a 987 S (I think), and it's a pretty clear 'no' from Porsche AG:

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Just got a reply from Porsche Germany regarding these Grilles and the effect on Warranty, in short grilles are verboten:

‘The Cayman, as a more ‘standard’ vehicle with far less track use has the smaller air intakes since the focus is on the CD value (coefficient of drag). With the GT vehicles, the focus is more on track use with corresponding raised danger of gravel bed/stones on the cooling units. Therefore with the GT vehicles the CD value is not as good as with the Cayman due to the larger air intakes which are protected by grids. The air loss through the grilles are compensated by the larger air inlets. Installation of grids on the Cayman are not permitted under the Porsche Warranty as there is a risk of overheating.’
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kitchens said:
The obvious answer is if in doubt remove them before the car gets inspected ..it is a comparative easy fix my son who by his own admission is not technical fitted his in his 997 GTS in 30 mins so removal should not be a issue .

I do agree this is a stupid situation all should be fitted with grills as standard as in my 981 Spyder and yet none standard in a 981. Seems some OPC are ok and not others it should be clear Yes or NO .
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Removal, certainly on my car, would damage the plastic they are attached to as the teeth on the clips 'bite'. They're not designed for removal and refitting. Also, if you have them fitted then suffer engine issues you could in theory remove them before making a claim, but evidence of the clips being attached would be there and I feel it could potentially be seen as a fraudulent claim. Why pay for the extended (insurance) warranty and go against its terms thus risking having it voided at the time you need it?

My view is that if you fit the grilles, as I have done, then you accept that an extended warranty is no longer an option to you. Play the game by the rules or don't play the game :)

 
I'm in the same boat, zunsport grills on 981s so Leeds Porsche centre said they couldn't complete the 111 point check or extend the warranty.

I'm loathe to take the grills off (in case they scratch) so it looks like either independent warranty or take my chances.

Anyone got a 3rd party warranty recommendation?!

 
I have ordered a pair of outer front grills from Zunsport for my new 718 Cayman GTS which I'm due to collect in early January.

Photo below of the front of the car show just how exposed the outer condensers are on the 718 GTS models.

Brian

 
I have ordered a pair of outer front grills from Zunsport for my new 718 Cayman GTS which I'm due to collect in early January. Photos I received of the front of the car show just how exposed the outer condensers are on the 718 GTS models.

Brian

 
Even worse on the 981, I fitted grilles as soon as I bought the car:

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I heard the AA have a good policy ..one of the guys in my Tipec club has made several claims on his 986 and recons it has saved him £££££ .I think the hourly rate would mean you would need to get the work done by a independent .

worth a call to see what the T&C are .

TBH I think Porsche are taking the **** with us Incorrect Wipers /Battery /Tyres what has this all got to do with a mechanical breakdown failure of a part and why fit grills to some models and not others ...I will seriously think about renewing my Spyder warranty in April 2019 .

 
I agree this is a ridiculous situation, however the OPC warranty is certainly the most convenient for getting repairs done with a courtesy car etc. The only issues many of us face with the warranty are these grilles and a hardwired dash cam (and I’ve just found a solution for the dash cam!).

The grilles on my 987 are easy to remove once every 2 years for the 111 point check so I’m happy to do this.

Has anyone engaged with Zunsport to see if they can design an easily removable version for the 981/718 and 911s various?

 
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