beavercraig
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I have a friend who has an Oct build date and is third on his OPC list and only 15% VAT??[
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I had a good chat with Chris following which I have decided to go for the GT3 and take the March build car. He still thought it worthwhile spending £250 plus VAT on a Geo reset for the Turbo as the GT 3 is still some months away. I havnt yet decided on this latter point.
Chris view was that a well set up Turbo is the fastest road car there is as it is more compliant on poor road surfaces but it does loose out on the twisty bits on a smooth circuit. I would love to keep both cars but that is not a practical proposition for me. I really have enjoyed the Turbo and will be sorry to see it go but I have decided I need to have that GT3 experience before I get too old.
Thanks for your help Alex which was much appreciated
Chris view was that a well set up Turbo is the fastest road car there is as it is more compliant on poor road surfaces but it does loose out on the twisty bits on a smooth circuit. I would love to keep both cars but that is not a practical proposition for me. I really have enjoyed the Turbo and will be sorry to see it go but I have decided I need to have that GT3 experience before I get too old.
Thanks for your help Alex which was much appreciated
Glad to help. Chris is a great resource and will always recommend what's best for you.
I would say that a geo is a must for any stock Turbo or otherwise. It doesn't compromise your warranty and can transform the cars handling. I likened the difference when I first geo'd mine with Parr to running with Wellington boots on, and then after the geo, with trainers.
I would also head straight to Chris after you get your new GT3 too!
I would say that a geo is a must for any stock Turbo or otherwise. It doesn't compromise your warranty and can transform the cars handling. I likened the difference when I first geo'd mine with Parr to running with Wellington boots on, and then after the geo, with trainers.
I would also head straight to Chris after you get your new GT3 too!
Mike Cooper 33
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Don't know if this helps you, I was at Porsche Mayfair last week and they said they had a cancelled order for a new GT3. If you are interested I can put you in touch with the relevant sales guy.
Mind you, he also said they had "one or two" cancelled orders for Panameras which is less surprising having seen the thing!
Mind you, he also said they had "one or two" cancelled orders for Panameras which is less surprising having seen the thing!
I received a call out of the blue today telling me I can have a November GT3 build so I am at Silverstone tomorrow driving the car (not too much rain please) and will spec the new car at the weekend. My OPC complained to Porsche and they found an earlier slot. Yippee
Anyone like a much loved Turbo with 14k miles and high spec?
Anyone like a much loved Turbo with 14k miles and high spec?
That sounds great especially with a test drive before finalising spec. - was this by chance or did Porsche accommodate the test drive in advance of the earlier delivery date? I personally am always unkeen to order a car which I have haven't had a chance to drive properly which seems to be the way with early deliveries if I am not misinformed.
I had 3 hours behind the wheel of the Gen 2 GT3 at Silverstone yesterday. There were only three other cars there so virtually had the palce to myself. There was a film crew there doing something on the Panamera launch but they were not on the circuit.
First impresions when you sit in the car is how heavy the clutch is compared to the Turbo then you start her up and the differnce is amazing. The Turbo sits there quietly purring away with little noise or vibration. The GT 3 gurgles and snarles and vibrates. The Turbo says"How fast would like to go, sit back and relax and I will take care of everything". The GT3 has an attitude "you can go as fast as you like and I will do exactly as you tell me but dont relax or I am going to kick ar-e" I think the Turbo insulates you from what is going on, it flatters you and makes you feel like a better driver and it is easy to drive it fast. The GT3 is a complete contrast it tells you evything that is going on. Your hands, feet, backside and ears receive loads of information and it challnges you to respond and make the car go faster. I suspect I will be quite a bit slower in the GT3 until I really get used to the sensory oveload.
As the revs build on the GT3 the noise in the car is nothing short of orgasmic (or very intrusive if you dont like it). For the first few laps I found I was changing up way to early as having hit the rev limiter in the Turbo my natural reaction is to change up once you hit a certain noise level. In the GT3 you have to readjust to many things. For example it is quite easy to get lazy in the Turbo and carry a higher gear through a corner and then rely on all that torque and boost to slingshot you down the straight. That doesnt work with the GT3. If you are in too high a gear and press the go pedal nothing much happens so you have to use the box and drive it. After the first few laps I felt like a hormone driven teenager just after their first s-x. I realised what people had been talking about all these years and you want more and more and my instructor said I had a grin from ear to ear.
The car is much more like a Go Kart than the Turbo and is very responsive reacting to every little nuance. It turns in really sharply and has fantastic grip but if you back off sharply in the wrong place say hello to a big dose of oversteer. I did a lot of laps and was able to play with the stability systems on and off. Wheras the Turbos PSM kicks in as soon as you start to get the back out on the GT3 you can get a lot more movement before the PSM steps in to save you. With Traction and stability off you have to catch the car quickly to avoid embarrasment but if you are quick enough the car is very controllable. If you miss it the spin is quite impressive. By comparison the Turbo is really easy to drive but I think the GT3 will be a real challenge to drive quickly but very rewarding when you get it right.
I think that Porsche have built a fantastic car in the GT3. I would not have bought an earlier version but now with PASM,the lifting system and PSM the car is more practical and usable and safer but still a whole load of fun when you want to drive. I still suspect that the Turbo is a better all round road car and I am going to miss that Torque and overboost but I am really looking forward to learning how to drive the GT 3
I was very lucky to have an instructor who loved being in the car and was a great teacher. At the end of the day after 3 hours behind the wheel I had to ask to stop as I was knac--ed. I think I am going to have to change my lifestyle from having the cream with the desert to choosing the salad and going to the Gym
If any of you are keen to try a GT3 they run a GT course for £400 which gets you behind the wheel of their GT2 and GT3 for a morning or afternoon. In my view worth every penny for a unique motoring experience as I used a lot of petrol and rubber which doesnt come cheap
First impresions when you sit in the car is how heavy the clutch is compared to the Turbo then you start her up and the differnce is amazing. The Turbo sits there quietly purring away with little noise or vibration. The GT 3 gurgles and snarles and vibrates. The Turbo says"How fast would like to go, sit back and relax and I will take care of everything". The GT3 has an attitude "you can go as fast as you like and I will do exactly as you tell me but dont relax or I am going to kick ar-e" I think the Turbo insulates you from what is going on, it flatters you and makes you feel like a better driver and it is easy to drive it fast. The GT3 is a complete contrast it tells you evything that is going on. Your hands, feet, backside and ears receive loads of information and it challnges you to respond and make the car go faster. I suspect I will be quite a bit slower in the GT3 until I really get used to the sensory oveload.
As the revs build on the GT3 the noise in the car is nothing short of orgasmic (or very intrusive if you dont like it). For the first few laps I found I was changing up way to early as having hit the rev limiter in the Turbo my natural reaction is to change up once you hit a certain noise level. In the GT3 you have to readjust to many things. For example it is quite easy to get lazy in the Turbo and carry a higher gear through a corner and then rely on all that torque and boost to slingshot you down the straight. That doesnt work with the GT3. If you are in too high a gear and press the go pedal nothing much happens so you have to use the box and drive it. After the first few laps I felt like a hormone driven teenager just after their first s-x. I realised what people had been talking about all these years and you want more and more and my instructor said I had a grin from ear to ear.
The car is much more like a Go Kart than the Turbo and is very responsive reacting to every little nuance. It turns in really sharply and has fantastic grip but if you back off sharply in the wrong place say hello to a big dose of oversteer. I did a lot of laps and was able to play with the stability systems on and off. Wheras the Turbos PSM kicks in as soon as you start to get the back out on the GT3 you can get a lot more movement before the PSM steps in to save you. With Traction and stability off you have to catch the car quickly to avoid embarrasment but if you are quick enough the car is very controllable. If you miss it the spin is quite impressive. By comparison the Turbo is really easy to drive but I think the GT3 will be a real challenge to drive quickly but very rewarding when you get it right.
I think that Porsche have built a fantastic car in the GT3. I would not have bought an earlier version but now with PASM,the lifting system and PSM the car is more practical and usable and safer but still a whole load of fun when you want to drive. I still suspect that the Turbo is a better all round road car and I am going to miss that Torque and overboost but I am really looking forward to learning how to drive the GT 3
I was very lucky to have an instructor who loved being in the car and was a great teacher. At the end of the day after 3 hours behind the wheel I had to ask to stop as I was knac--ed. I think I am going to have to change my lifestyle from having the cream with the desert to choosing the salad and going to the Gym
If any of you are keen to try a GT3 they run a GT course for £400 which gets you behind the wheel of their GT2 and GT3 for a morning or afternoon. In my view worth every penny for a unique motoring experience as I used a lot of petrol and rubber which doesnt come cheap
Bob, I'm impressed that you got the full fat experience, Porsche Silverstone is a tight and twisty little track and I'm not surprised you were cream crackered after that length of time at the wheel. So it sounds like you're happy with your decision, I'm certainly looking forward to seeing the beast in the flesh at one of our events - as long as you don't disappear to the dark side (GT3 register...).
It really was a great experince Peter and I was lucky to have an instructor who ws a great teacher and loved the car more than I did. He just kep pushing me so we were doing everything faster and faster.
As well as lots of circuits I was able to spend a lot of time on the kick plate. On a scale of 10 it was originally set to 4 which is reasonably easy to catch but my instructor kept turning up the setting. With his advice and a lot of practice I was able to catch the car (all stability systems off) and then do a full power slide down the course with the plate set on 7. My instructor was trying to sharpen my response to the car getting sideways and control the throttle and steering effeictively. Its quite easy to catch the initial slide but then loose the car because you overcorrect or back off and not balance the car. I have never done so many 360'S.
The ice hill was also fun and drove it both ways up and down. One impressive demonstration of the cars stabilty controls was to sit at the top of the ice hill and then drive flat out down the side of the course with near side wheels on tarmac and offside on the water and then slam the barakes on just before the end of the course. With stability controls on the car pulls up in a very straight line. Tried it again with all controls off I was expecting a massive spin as we we were doing 50 plus but the car pulls up striaight. What happens is that even if you have stability off if you engage the abs then it switches the stabilty back on briefly but it stays off if you dont enage the abs.
I think I will miss the Turbo on the road as it is a great road car I just wish Porsche would dial in just a bit more aural excitement in the standard car. As somone said in a previous post it would be great to have both cars but that is not possible
As well as lots of circuits I was able to spend a lot of time on the kick plate. On a scale of 10 it was originally set to 4 which is reasonably easy to catch but my instructor kept turning up the setting. With his advice and a lot of practice I was able to catch the car (all stability systems off) and then do a full power slide down the course with the plate set on 7. My instructor was trying to sharpen my response to the car getting sideways and control the throttle and steering effeictively. Its quite easy to catch the initial slide but then loose the car because you overcorrect or back off and not balance the car. I have never done so many 360'S.
The ice hill was also fun and drove it both ways up and down. One impressive demonstration of the cars stabilty controls was to sit at the top of the ice hill and then drive flat out down the side of the course with near side wheels on tarmac and offside on the water and then slam the barakes on just before the end of the course. With stability controls on the car pulls up in a very straight line. Tried it again with all controls off I was expecting a massive spin as we we were doing 50 plus but the car pulls up striaight. What happens is that even if you have stability off if you engage the abs then it switches the stabilty back on briefly but it stays off if you dont enage the abs.
I think I will miss the Turbo on the road as it is a great road car I just wish Porsche would dial in just a bit more aural excitement in the standard car. As somone said in a previous post it would be great to have both cars but that is not possible
Great news on build slot moving forward to Nov - I've been told the opposite has happened in my case where September was expected but the slot offered is now Jan 2010 - highly unimpressed so cancelling the order unless I can find a better slot at another dealer. There appears to be no centralised control and proper prioritisation of build slots
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