GTPorsche mag - 964RS v 993RS
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Oh dear ..... are all these magazines running out of ideas?
Not read it yet, but know they are both Great - There is no bad RS [
] We all know that!!
Steve Rance
Non member
Guys, I am getting bored with articles like this as they almost always lack detailed dynamic descriptions of the handling traits of the cars. When I get my 993 back I am going to write an article based on a direct comparison between the 993 Clubsport and 996RS. Since I own both cars there won't be a hidden agenda just an objective comparison. I will give a detailed discription of the handling of both cars on the track at Snett. Both cars will have the sharpest set up possible so will warrent an objective direct comparisn. I'll also compare the times and explain the importance of a set up an how it will fundamentally alter the dynamic of a car. Hopefully it will be a definitive article.
jason
New member
Id rather read a magazine full of owners pics of their cars and the story of their story about it than the same comparisons that have been done to death - at least you get to feel some passion in owners stories.
Steve and Sean used to do some post race write ups on PH and they were interesting too.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE MORE IDEAS THAN THIS - SUUUUUREEEELLLLLLLLYYYYYYYY????
Unless both cars were at Specialist Cars of malton at the time....then it would explain everything. Please god someone tell me they weren't....[8|]
Steve and Sean used to do some post race write ups on PH and they were interesting too.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE MORE IDEAS THAN THIS - SUUUUUREEEELLLLLLLLYYYYYYYY????
Unless both cars were at Specialist Cars of malton at the time....then it would explain everything. Please god someone tell me they weren't....[8|]
Agree on the owners pics and stories, pre internet forums,,the monthly running reports were usually the best part of 911 &PW.
Steve, your article does sound interesting, but seems slightly niche to me,,,your 996 has an expensive suspension upgrade and your 993 C2 racecar, as wonderful as it no doubt is, will have many trick parts on it.
To write an article on 2 modified cars, with ideal set ups suited to the experienced driver almost sounds a tad self indulgent. What will the average Porsche owner learn from it?
For comparison articles to work, it makes sense for the cars to be standard spec, so we can relate to them. Also written by someone with the ability to drive and also enthusiastically relate those findings into print to make it entertaining.
Steve, your article does sound interesting, but seems slightly niche to me,,,your 996 has an expensive suspension upgrade and your 993 C2 racecar, as wonderful as it no doubt is, will have many trick parts on it.
To write an article on 2 modified cars, with ideal set ups suited to the experienced driver almost sounds a tad self indulgent. What will the average Porsche owner learn from it?
For comparison articles to work, it makes sense for the cars to be standard spec, so we can relate to them. Also written by someone with the ability to drive and also enthusiastically relate those findings into print to make it entertaining.
Steve Rance
Non member
I can see that but it is very difficult to compare 2 cars objectively unless they have the same type of geo as 911's are so sensitive to any chasis adjustment. Comparing 2 cars with a factory set up is a waste of time as Porsche assume that all drivers are idiots and set thier factory default accordingly dialling out most of the chasis potential at the same time. My cars are actually very close to standard, especially the 996 which only has after market dampers. What they both share is a fully optomised geo which unlocks the entire potential of their chasis so I think a comparison will give a better indcation of the differences between the two cars. How many articals on RS's have we all read? and how many of those will had paragraphs on technical detail and a few lines on the actual driving experience? I may not write the article but I will make the comparison because I am very interested in the outcome.
jason
New member
Or get a racing driver to write a monthly journal - their diary.
We all like to read about how the other half live and are generally nosey - look at the success of reality TV programs!
What about reviews on different events and things - theres loads going on that people dont know about and it might just get them involved or think - I'm gonna remember that for next year.
My first track day.
Race car testing.
COME ON - ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
1001 ideas and thats off about 20 seconds......maybe i should start yet another magazine...got plenty of time on my hands at the mo!
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We all like to read about how the other half live and are generally nosey - look at the success of reality TV programs!
What about reviews on different events and things - theres loads going on that people dont know about and it might just get them involved or think - I'm gonna remember that for next year.
My first track day.
Race car testing.
COME ON - ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
1001 ideas and thats off about 20 seconds......maybe i should start yet another magazine...got plenty of time on my hands at the mo!
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][][]i thought it was a good article, well written by an enthusiast and owner (of an 964 rs - richard meaden). believe it or not most people who buy this mag are not experts and owners of these cars, but people who aspire to ownership. of course for you and i such articles give nothing in fresh information, because we know more than the journo's as owners already. the pictures are nice, and it raises the car's profile which can't be a bad result. as an owner of both, pushed to sell one, i'd probably let the 993 rs go as ultimately it's not as much as an event as the 964, but horses for courses.
Steve Rance
Non member
ORIGINAL: jason
Or get a racing driver to write a monthly journal - their diary.
We all like to read about how the other half live and are generally nosey - look at the success of reality TV programs!
What about reviews on different events and things - theres loads going on that people dont know about and it might just get them involved or think - I'm gonna remember that for next year.
My first track day.
Race car testing.
COME ON - ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
1001 ideas and thats off about 20 seconds......maybe i should start yet another magazine...got plenty of time on my hands at the mo!
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Ha ha. If I get my budget to do Carrera cup this year, I'll write a few things on this forum. Although the last time the Carerra cup got a mention on the Porsche club forum it got pretty messy!
Richard Dawson
New member
I'm in suspense and can't get to WHS today to read!
Which did Meaden say was best? I'll wager 64RS.
Whichever the "result" I think as has been discussed here before whilst alot of the essential character of any 911 is unaffected by set up if you are into the drive particularly trackday or fast road the set up and condition of the dampers springs and bushes does make a huge difference.
My 993 RS when i bought it was set up to suit its previous owner ; I altered the geo , added EVO rear mounts and it became perfect for me. The same was true on my 64RS which was frankly an understeering pig when I got it!
Which did Meaden say was best? I'll wager 64RS.
Whichever the "result" I think as has been discussed here before whilst alot of the essential character of any 911 is unaffected by set up if you are into the drive particularly trackday or fast road the set up and condition of the dampers springs and bushes does make a huge difference.
My 993 RS when i bought it was set up to suit its previous owner ; I altered the geo , added EVO rear mounts and it became perfect for me. The same was true on my 64RS which was frankly an understeering pig when I got it!
ORIGINAL: Steve Rance
ORIGINAL: jason
Or get a racing driver to write a monthly journal - their diary.
We all like to read about how the other half live and are generally nosey - look at the success of reality TV programs!
What about reviews on different events and things - theres loads going on that people dont know about and it might just get them involved or think - I'm gonna remember that for next year.
My first track day.
Race car testing.
COME ON - ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
1001 ideas and thats off about 20 seconds......maybe i should start yet another magazine...got plenty of time on my hands at the mo!
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Ha ha. If I get my budget to do Carrera cup this year, I'll write a few things on this forum. Although the last time the Carerra cup got a mention on the Porsche club forum it got pretty messy!
Steve, hopefully the budget arrives, but now the Porsche open is exclusively GT3, I would have thought that would be right up your street..is that another option?
Steve Rance
Non member
ORIGINAL: clubsport
ORIGINAL: Steve Rance
ORIGINAL: jason
Or get a racing driver to write a monthly journal - their diary.
We all like to read about how the other half live and are generally nosey - look at the success of reality TV programs!
What about reviews on different events and things - theres loads going on that people dont know about and it might just get them involved or think - I'm gonna remember that for next year.
My first track day.
Race car testing.
COME ON - ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
1001 ideas and thats off about 20 seconds......maybe i should start yet another magazine...got plenty of time on my hands at the mo!
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Ha ha. If I get my budget to do Carrera cup this year, I'll write a few things on this forum. Although the last time the Carerra cup got a mention on the Porsche club forum it got pretty messy!
Steve, hopefully the budget arrives, but now the Porsche open is exclusively GT3, I would have thought that would be right up your street..is that another option?
Not really. If I don't do Carrera cup, I'll look at British GT
Richard
In '1'!!!!
Meadon was very diplomatic but went for 964.
Both looked great in print, the 993 in Black - Sleeeeeeeeeeek
The Monkey Bum Pink, I hate to say looked really nice......... And yes I probably would buy one, in that colour!
The thing is they are both great cars, we all know that anyhow.
I have both and I enjoy them both in different ways - one day its 964 & another days its 993 - most days ' I love them both all the time.'
In my opinion. Both are great!
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