Richard Dawson
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I found that to be the case but all great on track or Swiss roads!
993 seemed to cover all the bases!
993 seemed to cover all the bases!
GTPorsche mag - 964RS v 993RS
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ORIGINAL: roygarth
'Event' as in 'all out struggle to keep it on the road'?! [] . Is it still true that the 64 is pretty much unusable on anything other than a smooth track?
I drive country B roads all the time, and I've added 15,000Km to my 964RS N-GT since it had new suspension and a good geo set-up --- in fact it probably needs another now !
It is certainly not my experience that the tyres can't keep up with the road surface, but I would agree that my previous LHD 964RS seemed very much less supple than my N-GT even though it had only done 50,000 Km.
I would ask anybody who is concerned two questions:
1. How recently did you replace your dampers ?
2. Do you have a road compliant geo set-up ?
My 993RS was a pig until I replaced the dampers, springs and all the bushes with standard --- and had the geo set-up. Now it's a pussycat, though not licence friendly [
]ORIGINAL: roygarth
'Event' as in 'all out struggle to keep it on the road'?! [
no, it's a quite firm but not so much to reign in the pace more than whats acceptable on the road - and on the track it's beautifully resolved. as it happens i took my 993 out yesterday and had a fantastic drive, they are both such wonderful cars but quite different in isolation.
ORIGINAL: roygarth
'Event' as in 'all out struggle to keep it on the road'?! [
Not "pretty much unusable", may be not as "refined" or as "compliant", or as "ulimately quick" or as "confidence inspiring", but still usuable.
Plenty of evidence that 64RS are "usuable" at places like the ring, or Oulton park, although the chassis suits a smoother surface no doubt about that.
I'm not sure they are an "all out struggle to keep on the road" - do people disagree?
Richard Dawson
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Even though the Ring is one of the bumpiest tracks I have been on the 64 is in its element, Oulton especially. The issue I found with it was the more give and take twisty secondaries up here in and around the NorthWest. The miserable state of these roads meant it had a habit of trying to bounce off the road especially in faster corners. When i used it abroad, in places such as Switzerland it made better sense!
I would say at the Ring the 993 was much more composed particularly after Adenau bridge where its aero and better front end grip helped on the faster corners and the PAS helped tired arms!! Last July my friends swiss 64 struggled to go through Luada Kink flat whereas the 993 found it quite easy. The same was true up Kesselchen hill. The 993 felt far more composed especially near the top where you are hard on the power in 6th gear.
I would say at the Ring the 993 was much more composed particularly after Adenau bridge where its aero and better front end grip helped on the faster corners and the PAS helped tired arms!! Last July my friends swiss 64 struggled to go through Luada Kink flat whereas the 993 found it quite easy. The same was true up Kesselchen hill. The 993 felt far more composed especially near the top where you are hard on the power in 6th gear.
Richard Dawson
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Off the motorways and in the hills it's ok
the Swiss do have some humour
the Swiss do have some humour
ORIGINAL: h_____
ORIGINAL: roygarth
'Event' as in 'all out struggle to keep it on the road'?! [
Not "pretty much unusable", may be not as "refined" or as "compliant", or as "ulimately quick" or as "confidence inspiring", but still usuable.
Plenty of evidence that 64RS are "usuable" at places like the ring, or Oulton park, although the chassis suits a smoother surface no doubt about that.
I'm not sure they are an "all out struggle to keep on the road" - do people disagree?
h____
Agree, have driven my 964 N-GT to the Ring and back over a 3 day period. It was a great drive and no drama at all. For a sense of occasion and true RS experience the raw feel of the above is unbeatable.
I have as I'm sure otheres have had those terrible moments when you lose the front wheel sensation or knocked seriously offline by a rough surface. I now drive the car with consideration of approaching road conditions.
With the 993RS you can relax a good deal more on a drive, it is able to cope and forgive the unpredictable UK roads a lot better than its forerunner.
Richard Dawson
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This 64 993 debate always runs but I think the key is like all 911 incarnations they are subtly different interpretations on the theme and from the factory they strike different balances. They are easily tailorable to your own preferences and both, in my view 2 of the best cars Porsche ever made that justify their reputations.
I also think that as time goes by car enthusiasts generally will see them as some the the last simple, reliable, rust resistant cars that provide lasting driver fun and interaction without electrickery/weight/huge brakes/hideously dear electronic bits that make more modern stuff more throw away in the future.
I am sure people have siad the same at each generation but for me the 64 and 993 take the 2.7 buzz and add rust resistance, longer term reliability and a bit more poke to make the perfect cocktail!
I also think that as time goes by car enthusiasts generally will see them as some the the last simple, reliable, rust resistant cars that provide lasting driver fun and interaction without electrickery/weight/huge brakes/hideously dear electronic bits that make more modern stuff more throw away in the future.
I am sure people have siad the same at each generation but for me the 64 and 993 take the 2.7 buzz and add rust resistance, longer term reliability and a bit more poke to make the perfect cocktail!
To Phil an Melv ....Bitchy , in fact double Bitchy ...........while i can just abt still cope ,Cup Car sure keeps an ole boy awake !
One day may have to take the slippery path to a 997 series 2 GT3 ...................not quite that soft yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW If u cud only see the Hat i ve just bought , and extra warmth lonjohns for the ice lake in Finland tomorrow .......its risen to -14 i gather.......NOW that should sharpen me up ..........even before i get in a car !
One day may have to take the slippery path to a 997 series 2 GT3 ...................not quite that soft yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW If u cud only see the Hat i ve just bought , and extra warmth lonjohns for the ice lake in Finland tomorrow .......its risen to -14 i gather.......NOW that should sharpen me up ..........even before i get in a car !
paul howells
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you dont have to be soft vic[] to own a g2 gt3,just think of the music,air con,sat nav,no head ache.And you will not need those special pants,or will you!
] to own a g2 gt3,just think of the music,air con,sat nav,no head ache.And you will not need those special pants,or will you!
jason
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Did 3000 miles around France, Germany and Austria over 2 weeks in September in my ex 964RS.
Handled every road fine, in every possible weather and at every speed [8|]
Although my ar$e did get a little sore when stuck in traffic for 6+ hours on way to Stuttgart as the driver seat really did have the thinnest of thin in cushion terms!
Think we all get carried away with all this too much tbh. [&o]
Would I use a 73RS, 964RS, 993RS, 996GT3RS every day for work?
NO - but then neither do 99.9999% of the owners.
They use them 'reasonably' rarely and usually for activities more of what they were made for.
I'm not sure the comparisons have a great deal of point - UNLESS they compare two cars, of very very similar condition set up in exactly the same way. There are so many of these cars set up in different ways with different suspension settings and in different condition and with different tyres that you are really just comparing one CAR against another CAR.
Not one MODEL against another MODEL.
just my 2peneth on a subject that has been done to death....
Handled every road fine, in every possible weather and at every speed [8|]
Although my ar$e did get a little sore when stuck in traffic for 6+ hours on way to Stuttgart as the driver seat really did have the thinnest of thin in cushion terms!
Think we all get carried away with all this too much tbh. [&o]
Would I use a 73RS, 964RS, 993RS, 996GT3RS every day for work?
NO - but then neither do 99.9999% of the owners.
They use them 'reasonably' rarely and usually for activities more of what they were made for.
I'm not sure the comparisons have a great deal of point - UNLESS they compare two cars, of very very similar condition set up in exactly the same way. There are so many of these cars set up in different ways with different suspension settings and in different condition and with different tyres that you are really just comparing one CAR against another CAR.
Not one MODEL against another MODEL.
just my 2peneth on a subject that has been done to death....
Original question was raised as I had been reading many of the period mags I have with road test/reviews of 964RS on it's launch. All are pretty/very scathing of it due to unusabilty on anytihng other than flat/smooth road surfaces. Perhaps this is why used prices got down to c.20K.....now though, as has been pinted out, they are bought for weekend fun/track use and values have shot up.
Are there other examples of cars which were so completely damned at launch but then became so very sought after 15 years later?
Are there other examples of cars which were so completely damned at launch but then became so very sought after 15 years later?
Richard Dawson
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Ferrari f40 car had as top 10 lemon from memory!
Even some of what I would call true greats came off in value post production. Macca F1 dipped into low 400's. Now look where they are, a very good friend of mine has bought one and paid a tad over that.
Back on with the spirit of the forum, good old 993 GT2 doesn't feel that long ago when they were completly out of fashion and no one wanted one.
From memory and also from wanting and owning the 993 RS the lowest I ever paid was £50k from a main opc. Not top much of a dip in prices for the most desirable Porsche ever !!
Back on with the spirit of the forum, good old 993 GT2 doesn't feel that long ago when they were completly out of fashion and no one wanted one.
From memory and also from wanting and owning the 993 RS the lowest I ever paid was £50k from a main opc. Not top much of a dip in prices for the most desirable Porsche ever !!
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